Future Felons of America, Make Your Reservations Now!

[MSchreader]

If you're one of the millions of poor and working people who won't be able to afford their mandatory health care, even with the paltry "subsidy", check in now for your pre-assigned prisoner numbers and make a reservation at one of the fine federal penitentiaries where you will be living for the next one to five years.

Those who can afford their health insurance need not apply.

ON EDIT: Let me just say that while the bill has some really good points, this one makes me a target. I can't afford any insurance, given my income, and I've been getting jerked around on getting Medicaid in this state for over a year. I guess I'll have to wait until July 2011 until I'm eligible for Medicare before I can get coverage.

[Th1onein]

1. I've been reading about this, and I think you are incorrect in your assumptions.

I'm not going to do the work for you, but information on this is all over DU.

I am one who will NOT be forced to buy from the insurance companies, and I am willing to kill any mother fucker who tries to force me to pay a fine, or be jailed for my refusal. And, even I can now see that the fine or prison shit is bullshit.

[MSchreader]

2. I guess my attitude is that if even one person goes to jail for this

It's one too many.

[rug]

3. 2.5% tax surcharge + failure to pay = jail.

[Motown_Johnny]

6. are you sure they won't just garnish your wages? Where do you see jail time anywhere?

[MSchreader]

8. From the bill...

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.”

This is failure to pay or evasion of the excise tax that is to be charged on the health care plan you will have to purchase.

[Th1onein]

11. BZZZT! WRONG!

No such sections in the bill.

[MSchreader]

14. You're right

My mistake. Those provisions are from the tax code.

Nonetheless, this bill has a 2.5 percent excise tax as part of the mandate. No payment of the tax = tax evasion = jail.

Another poster clarified this point well enough that I'm OK with just linking to his comment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6955395&mesg_id=6956564

[Enrique]

4. your bullshit detector needs servicing n/t

[grasswire]

5. 40,000 bucks a year to hold one person in custody

This is also a sop to the prison industrial complex, apparently.

Taxpayers oughta revolt.

[geek tragedy]

7. This is a rightwing chain email post.

Lots of idiots out tonight.

[951-Riverside]

9. Spare me the rhetoric and post some facts that disproves what the OP just said n/t

[MSchreader]

10. The rightwing chain

Is the line of fools who think that everything with a "D" after it is unalloyed gold. Whatever one thinks of the other provisions of the bill, this one is messed up. Period.

[Th1onein]

12. It's also NON-EXISTENT!

Chill out.

[MSchreader]

13. Here's the clarification

From another post on this issue. He says it as well as I could ever, so I'll let him talk for me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6955395&mesg_id=6956564

[Th1onein]

16. As I said before, YOU ARE INCORRECT.

PoliticalHeretic is posting something that DOES NOT EXIST in the bill. He got this info from a freeper email, apparently. Don't look to him for "clarification." Geez.

There are no such sections to the bill. Period. They do not exist. The highest section number is 3500 or something in that range.

[MSchreader]

20. Those two points are part of the Tax Code

They are relevant to the bill because of the 2.5 percent excise tax that comes as part of the mandates. Don't pay the excise tax = go to jail.

Maybe they didn't think too far ahead about it, or maybe they didn't care. One way or the other, sending poor people to jail because they can't afford health insurance is a problem. And, yes, putting an excise tax on mandated insurance is in the bill.

[ecstatic]

15. About as logical as the death panel rumors

:eyes: Yeah... you're going to jail :eyes: :crazy:

[MSchreader]

17. I love folks like you

One bad word about something done by Dems and instantly everyone is a Republican/Freeper/Troll. It gives me that warm-and-fuzzy feeling to know that "either you're with us or you're with the enemy" is a bipartisan sentiment.

[ecstatic]

19. Your "concerns" are about as logical as the concerns about death panels

Maybe you should re-read your own OP? :shrug:

[TheWebHead]

18. sections 7201 and 7203 are tax code references

you wouldn't insert tax code into the healthcare bill. There's certainly plenty of "Internal Revenue" references in the bill.. and it's logical they'd be in charge of collecting penalties for those failing to comply and jailing those who refuse to pay the fines. Tax credits for purchasing insurance on a graduated scale based on how much you pay vs. an employer (if applicable) is the better route.