220 - 215. Did Stupak save the bill?

[rug]

Was it worth it?

[rwheeler31]

1. He did not and no.

[aquart]

2. They had to remove the anti-slavery provision from the constitution to make this nation.

Leading to the Civil War.

Was it worth it?

[Zynx]

4. Not nearly the same thing.

[rug]

8. No. You're still feeling the damage 200 years later.

[ezgoingrl]

3. Stupak was the tipping point for me.

I'm kinda soured on the whole thing right now. Maybe I shouldn't be, but 'tis how I'm feelin.

[sandnsea]

5. We need a separate amendment

That allows the purchase of an abortion ryder that doesn't use public funding.

Yes, getting this bill is absolutely worth the status quo on abortion. Nothing has changed.

[cbayer]

6. Perhaps and hopefully. nt.

[paulsby]

7. imo, yes he did

and many people here are (understandably) outraged at the stupak amendment, but assume arguendo that the health care bill was exactly the same as it is now, except it also paid for abortions, and it DIDN'T pass.

would that be a better scenario?

cause imo , that's the other likely scenario.

he may seem like a villain, but imo the whole enchilada would have failed w/o his amendment