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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:21 PM
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Anyone Recall That Gunman That Shot and Killed Those Women in a Pitt.'s Gym?
Funny, I don't seem to recall anyone writing that lonely middle aged White men are all terrorists.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:24 PM
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1. I recall a victim having a car wash to cover her medical expenses. She claims she didn't have
health insurance because she couldn't afford it. Steve King says everyone has health insurance, so she must have been lying.
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left coaster Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:26 PM
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2. Yes, the shooter was white and his victims were women..
No big deal.. right, America?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:33 PM
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7. Women who asked for it by refusing to date him.
The entire female sex was to blame for his crime, if I recall.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:47 PM
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24. Of course it's a big deal.
Where is the next crazy going to strike?
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:26 PM
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3. The white community doesn't feel a need to come out and condemn attacks by white people.
It sounds odd to even think that.

Even some people on DU wondered why some of us were so sad to hear that the shooter was Muslim. And I also called my family, before knowing for sure, and said, man, I hope he's not black. (We're black.)

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:32 PM
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6. You don't speak for the
white community.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:35 PM
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9. Me?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:34 PM
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8. There is no "white community"
like most americans white people are classified by income, education, and other factors that make up class in america. I would assume similar groupings exist in all racial groups in the US. As a white guy I dont look at race or religion as the deterministic factors in how people may behave or how I treat them.

The recent serial killer case, where a black suspect, was killing people with drug problems underlines most murders. A person is taking advantage of a person without power. That really spans religion and race.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:41 PM
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12. Agreed. I'm not saying white people need to act as a community,
just that people of color almost naturally react when they hear one of their own committed a crime. And it doesn't work that way for white people, it seems. It sounded odd to me to even write that they even would.

It's like when you reverse gender roles. Like why do men come over my house for dinner and never offer to help clean up, but the women almost always do? Interesting to think of putting something on the other foot.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:47 PM
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14. White Privilege. We will never be expected to be a spokesperson for our race.
We will never be expected to explain how "white people" view an issue.

It is assumed that we are not monolithic on anything.

But minorities are still somehow perceived to have a "hive brain" or something.

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:52 PM
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16. I agree, the dinner action is spot on..
I am pretty guilty of that. It is almost second nature, guys grab a beer and the wives clean up. I carry a plate in, but that is pretty much it.

People get comfort from patterns I think. Sadly attitudes about race and religion are perpetuated by some people's patterns. I hope those ideas just go away as time moves on.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:42 PM
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13. The teabaggers would certainly disagree. nt
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:52 PM
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15. I stumbled (honest) on a white supremacist site
and they were all about promoting the accomplishments of the European race, or whatever they call it. It was freaky, to say the least.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:06 PM
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17. I am black and I thought "I hope he is not black"!
Sadly these things do cross our minds.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:28 PM
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4. good point
nt
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:30 PM
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5. Actually, Sir, A Number Of People Charged This Act Reflected Systematic Misogyny In Our Society
A book on 'picking up' women by someone named Steel was widely denounced as having led the killer into the attitudes that moved him to the gun.

Both charges, it seems to me, have some foundation in truth.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:37 PM
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10. Did someone say that all muslim American men are terrorists?
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:59 AM
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18. Uh, Yes
I read three editorials in the NY Post, and TYT had quotes from conservative blogger, Debbie Schlussel. All are saying or implying that the military should purge Muslims from the ranks.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 08:56 PM
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19. Probably should have posted links.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:39 PM
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11. There were three other shootings at Fort Hood this year.
None of those responsible was called a terrorist airc.

There was the shooting of the three police officers last year also and we haven't heard much more about the killer in that tragedy.

Everyone probably remembers the massacre that killed 32 people and wounded many others at Virginia Tech a few years ago.

Then there was Columbine, Ok City, several other mass killings in public places, all of them too tragic to be able to absorb.

It seems to have become very common in this society, this kind of violence where Americans who have a beef of some kind want to kill as many people as they possibly can.

But one thing I don't remember was the kind of hateful, vengeful, illogical anger towards INNOCENT people who do not even know this man.

I would not want to be a peaceful, ordinary Muslim American in this country. Fear and hatred have turned this into a dangerous place for a lot of people.

I blame the constant, never ending hate propaganda from the rightwing noise machine. I even saw posts on Free Republic implying that Obama was 'connected' to this individual. Calls for deporting every Muslim, 'man, woman and child' and more.

Someone else will be hurt, someone innocent, if someone doesn't get control of these racist lunatics soon.
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:32 PM
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21. Great post
:thumbsup:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:29 PM
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20. The misogynistic pigs were quick to defend his creepy attitudes, though.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:40 PM
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22. When I heard about this
and started hearing the backlash regardling "those muslins"...I had visions of the Japanese camps during WWII.
I am sure someone will suggest we purge the muslins from our ranks--if they haven't already.
It saddens me when I think about that Muslim man that was beaten to death in California after 911 and shuddered at what can come of this.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:40 PM
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23. Yep. I've said that all along. For every 1,000 terrorist acts by men, there is maybe one woman who
does it, too. Yet, nobody talks about how we need to corral men and keep them in check.
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