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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:44 PM Original message |
Even though we may get a bill that we may not all agree on, it at least serves as a base |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. Bad bill. No excuse. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Where are you going to get the votes for single-payer today? You're not. Throw the baby out |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. In my dreams I see unicorns. Funny how you see single payer funded by a |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. What did Churchill say? |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The exception I see with this, though, is that we had the model |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I just don't get that thinking |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. Yeah, I flop back and forth between your opinion, and thinking we could have |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. Exactly. And if the base for the future direction aint too hot, thats just more to be dismayed with |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. That ain't your foot |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. Good post - K&R |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I took the other side for quite a few months, but after critical thinking, we have to start |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. I am very impressed |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Don't give me that much credit, but it is like you said coming to the realization that |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. Thank you, stillone, for being |
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kaehele (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. I hope you are right |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I don't know what is right or wrong, but I believe that we have to get something or we |
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kaehele (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. Well, I'm willing to hope |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
9. Think it will be another 95 years for a bit of reform of the reform. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. There is no way you will get the votes for medicare for all today. However, if you at least |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. A legal mandate with no cost controls is not a foot in the door. n/t |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
12. As Dems we have learned to be "dogs under the table"... |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
15. A "base" that doesn't cover most Americans, and eliminates women's rights. Wowee. Just what I want. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Really. How does it compare to the system today? I didn't say it should make one happy |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Do you think things will move in favor of the people |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Do you really think that if you can't get the "ideal" bill, that you will have a chance later? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Gosh, do you think they will change NAFTA too? Are you in the market for some beans? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. See, they didn't give us functioning public option because we said, Oh OK. It's better that nothing. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
16. It will also make insurance companies subject to anti-trust legislation.. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. I don't think that was put in. I could be wrong. I think that is in the judiciary committee. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
18. I don't believe health care reform has to be magic, That it only happens at certain magical times. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
20. A shit sandwich will never become caviar. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. and cutting your nose off to spite your face, will get you nothing either /nt |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. But you can play pretend. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. We can continue to throw cliques at each other, and that is nice, but |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. What about if they triple your premiums? |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. As I understand it they have a group to insure that doesn't happen. There is nothing |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. There are no price controls. Have you read the bill? Let me ask you this; |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Yes I have. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Yet there is no way to stop excessive price increases. It has no teeth and no mechanism to |
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WeCanWorkItOut (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
23. It takes far too much from Medicare. And it will be SLOW to change |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. How will it hurt Medicare? Where are you getting that from? That is absolutely wrong |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. It cuts 400 +billion out of Medicare. That's how they got the numbers to be |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. The bill says it will NOT cut seniors' benefits in any way |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. This from the CBO |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. I don't know either, but I would like to think that this is the first step toward single payer for |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Unless you are a woman who needs an abortian, that is. Then not so much. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I am not a women, and I am not happy about that amendment. I also want that taken |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. What progressive vestige do you think the Senate will kill first? I bet they |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
35. a base made of quicksand. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. So you believe it is worse than what we have now I take it? Because if this doesn't pass |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
43. It's more like a stool. |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
48. We're going to be right back at square one regardless. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
53. Like how we fixed NAFTA? |
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