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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:20 PM
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A faith-based prison is pushed (All Christian private prison)
The privately run lockup would have only Christians on its staff.

By BILL SHERMAN World Religion Writer
Published: 11/2/2009 2:22 AM
Last Modified: 11/2/2009 3:43 AM

WAKITA — This tiny town near the Oklahoma-Kansas state line north of Enid may soon own the country's only all-Christian prison, with Christian administrators, employees, counselors and programs.

The idea is backed by Wakita's leaders, has some support from state officials, and, its founders believe, is able to pass constitutional muster.

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He possesses legal opinions that say that as a religious organization, the prison will be able to hire only people of like faith, he said.

If constitutional challenges arise, he said, the American Center for Law and Justice, a major Christian law firm, has agreed to represent the ministry for free.

"True public safety is to change prisoners into citizens," Robinson said.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:21 PM
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1. More WELFARE for the fundies! They need to GET A JOB!
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:25 PM
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2. Piss on that.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:28 PM
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3. If they represent them for free, how many lawsuits would it take before they're broke?
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 04:29 PM by closeupready
(I'm referring to the American Center for Law and Justice.)
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:31 PM
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4. I think that's a wonderful idea! Faced with that, criminals will
go straight. Way to go!
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:33 PM
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5. Oh please let me never break the law in Oklahoma-Kansas! And what if you're Jewish ???
Or Buddhist or other??? I imagine it's a very punative, sadistic, psycho mind warp in there. Abu Ghraib + bibles and prayer. Self-flagellation, cats-o-nine-tails. And God help you if you are gay and sent there. Sounds like Hell on Earth to me.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:34 PM
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6. wouldn't that require a religious 'test'? isn't that against
the Constitution?

""...no religious test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or position of public Trust under the United States."

but then, it's only the Constitution.

:shrug:
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:36 PM
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7. But but but this is a CHRISTIAN nation. Except it's not. Can we send M. Bachmann there?
Cause I'd be all for that.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:37 PM
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8. I'd rather go to the state pen than to Camp Jesus. n/t
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glen123098 Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:41 PM
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9. I wonder what these people would think of an all Muslim prison.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:37 PM
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17. Exactly! They would be screaming it's a recruiting ground
for terrorist.

They more than likely will want non-tax status because they consider themselves a religious organization.

Welcome to DU!:hi:
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:41 PM
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10. What I find interesting in this article is that twice it is written.....
"public safety is to change prisoners into citizens" as if only a Christian prison can produce this. Just plain arrogance.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:49 PM
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11. "Christian" and "Arrogance" are two ways of saying the same thing. nt
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:01 PM
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13. Now, now, not all Christians are arrogant. The people who wrote this are.
There is a difference between true Christians and the professed, loudmouthed, in-name-only Christians.
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:00 PM
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12. They don't even try to change
prisoners into citizens in a normal prison. Rehabilitation is a joke in most prisons these days. This proposed Christian prison is a social experiment and a recruiting tool for fundies.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:21 PM
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14. A place where they could pray for penitence, eh?
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 05:21 PM by Iggo
A sort of Penitentiary, if you will.

Oh, wait a minute...
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 06:53 PM
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15. This tax exempt co. has been turned down in many other areas. Why? Satan - link
Prison issue explained in public meeting
December 12, 2007
http://www.theleonardgraphic.com/news/2007/12-December/lg121307-2.php

Sheedy said he has known Bill Robinson of Corrections Concepts, who has been trying to get this project for as many as 20 years.

“He needed somebody to act as special counsel for the governmental entities which he needs to partner with his corporation to do this deal under the law,” Sheedy explained.

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The attorney also addressed a Federal Court finding that ruled faith-based prisons unconstitutional.

“Texas and the other {states} we’ve talked to have a secular alternative that these {inmates} can volunteer to go to,” he said. “That’s the key to avoiding a constitutional issue - they volunteer to come here, sign a contract to come here, they are not in breech of any separate of church and state. It’s volunteer and that makes a big difference.”

He said that would not, however, rule out a suit. Rather, he expected the concept would be tried by “some anti-God organization that believes we shouldn’t have just a separation of church and state, we ought to have a separation of God and state.”

As to why Corrections Concepts Inc. has not been accepted in any other community, Sheedy said he believed in Satan.

“He exists, he doesn’t this project to succeed,” he said. “He is doing everything he can to defeat this project and he is using good people with good intentions. Satan is much more powerful than anybody in this room, he will twist that person around where they think they are doing the right thing in fighting it.”
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:36 PM
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16. Umm and will they be asking for Non-tax status?
this little sentence says it all......
<snip>
"The privately run lockup would have only Born Again Christians on its staff."
<snip>

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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:41 PM
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18. Perhaps their plan is to arrest anyone claiming to be a Christian
and they need a place to put them all.
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