Another Senseless Rightwing Chain Email...

[chasitynola]

"OK. I THINK I GET IT
Let me see if I understand all this....

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE TURKEY BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU SPEND THE REST OF YOUR LIFE IN PRISON!
BUT, IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET:
A DRIVERS LICENSE
A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD
WELFARE
FOOD STAMPS
AND, FREE HEALTH CARE?

Oh well sure. That makes perfect sense."

**Feedback please. I cannot wait to hear what you all have to say about these comparisons. Land of the Free, huh???? Bring me your tired, your poor, etc. Except for now? Oh my. Where are the freedom lovers now? Where is today's Ellis Island?

[Dennis Donovan]

1. If you know it's bullshit, then why did you post it here?

:shrug:

[chasitynola]

5. Hmmm....?

Why should I not post it here? I was looking for feedback, clever retorts, a bit of discussion...? Of course I know it's bullshit. If you would rather not participate then ignore it. How is this any different then posting video clips of rightwing fools spouting their viewpoints regarding many other bullshit issues in today's world? Teabaggers/birthers are bullshit...but we view their clips and we discuss.

Give a girl a break. Jeeeez.

:wtf:

[elehhhhna]

2. Well, at least we torture people so we still have something in common with those crapass countries.

[mwb970]

3. It's just dumb.

Being in all caps doesn't help. It has the feel of something passed hand to hand in middle school.

[rhiannon55]

4. Most, if not all, of that email is a lie

I am a "welfare" caseworker. Illegal immigrants CANNOT get a social security card, nor can they get welfare, food stamps, or health care. I'm not sure about the driver's license. I deal with situations like this all the time. Children born in the United States to illegal parents CAN get those benefits, however, because being born here makes a person a citizen, regardless of the status of the parents (take THAT, idiot birthers!).

Here's a typical scenario: A family of five applies for the above listed benefits. The parents and two of the children were born in Mexico and are not citizens; the youngest child was born here. The only member of the family who can get a social security card and qualifies for benefits is the youngest child. A family of five American citizens with no income would qualify for about $550/mo in cash assistance, $650 in food stamps, and Medicaid for everyone. A family of four illegal immigrants and one citizen would qualify for $186 in cash assistance, $200 in food stamps, and Medicaid for the one child only. These amounts vary by location, of course.

As usual, people who post such emails are talking out of their asses.

[sueh]

12. Thank you for your post rhiannon55. I find it very helpful, indeed.

:hi:

[chasitynola]

24. Thank you...

that is exactly what I was looking for...I was temporarily distracted by the person jumping up my butt over the idea that I was posting this chain email because I agreed. Yeah.

I appreciate your information very much.

[calimary]

25. Hey, there's a real edge here that even someone like me who doesn't ordinarily

do more than shrug about it can be concerned about.

And I'm glad to hear there is a debunking forum here - I myself am not sure where it is and I don't have as much time to enjoy long stretches here anymore so I can go searching for it. I probably should. I love to see debunking of this shit. Posted a little of it from time to time myself.

I see no reason why we still can't do some debunking here and then post a link to other areas of DU where there's more.

I see no reason why somebody ought not to post one of those accursed teabagger emails here to get ideas for rebuttal from the more verbose and in-yer-face among the rest of us.

Somebody here, somewhere, is bound to get an idea for a way to rebut one of these emails if it darkens their online door. OR to recognize that a written challenge or smack-down of an email can also supply one-liners and comments and details that you can use verbally, the next time you're confronted by some freeper at some party or family get-together.

And even for those who just pass by, it's a valuable signal that we're still on it, we're still vigilant, we're still suited up and ready for battle. Nothing like knowing that quiver you just set down is still loaded with arrows.

And even for those who just pass by and perhaps scoff because they've never been bothered by such emails and are annoyed by those who keep posting about them, guess what? An hour from now they're liable to find one of those emails in their own inbox, sent by some extended family member or inlaw who "wants you just to pass this on if you love your country."

[Zywiec]

26. How does this family of four illegal immigrants

and one citizen collect the $186 in cash assistance, $200 in food stamps, and Medicaid?

[rd_kent]

6. Methinks that YOU posted another sensless rightwing email......

for purposes other than outrage......


What would you like on your tombstone?

[chasitynola]

7. Pardon?

What's with all the hate? Damn. I just wanted to laugh and pick apart the ridiculousness of these things.

Sometimes DUers can be SO FUCKING MEAN. What the hell?

[rd_kent]

8. No, no pardon, sorry.

Time will tell. If I am wrong, I will apologise, but methinks that will not be necessary.

[chasitynola]

11. Please tell me what

your point is...besides the fact that you think I am posting something that I agree with (har de har), why are you climbing up my ass about a general post pointing out the ridiculous? I don't get why you are targeting me with your frustrations. 'What would you like on your tombstone?' Explain where you are coming from with that hateful statement. If you think I am such a dimwit, explain it to me as though I were a 10 year old. Indulge me...oh wise one.

[rd_kent]

13. If you do not know what I mean by "tombstone", then you should just relax.

Its not a hateful statement, it is what happens to disruptors and freepers. Your post seems to indicate that you may be in that category, which is why I said if I was wrong, I will apologize.

[chasitynola]

15. OK...

Jump to conclusions. Judge me. Don't ask me any questions and go ahead and assume that you know the type of person I am...I don't need your apology.

I have family members and family friends spreading this nonsense around daily. I thought that DU would be a good place to get feedback. Don't assume that I know what you meant by the tombstone reference.

I have been a DU member for almost 10 years. Part of the reason that I do not have 1,000 plus posts is a direct result of some members like yourself being judgmental and nasty.

I survived 9-11 and Katrina and I don't need the hate. You really brought tears to my eyes today. Go away. :spank:

[rd_kent]

16. Invoking 9-11? AND Katrina?

I brought tears to your eyes because I think you are a freeper?

Whatever. Grow some thicker skin. I never disparaged you nor did I insult you. I even said that I would apologize for calling you a freeper, which is not really a PERSONAL insult. Again, whatever, just put me on ignore....

[chasitynola]

19. Grow some empathy...

maybe a tad of patience. Maybe you could have pointed me in the right direction as it seems I have posted in the wrong forum...

You know....'whatever is great'. Whatever. You had to jump my shit because I am not a DU expert.

Invoking 9/11 and Katrina? Live through them both and maybe your skin would be a bit thin also.

I don't think I will post anything anymore. Too many people are so fucking harsh in these forums. Thick skin. Kiss my thick skinned ASS. Go kick a puppy or something. Fuck.

[rd_kent]

27. Ok, then. Buh-bye....

[chasitynola]

20. The jargon eludes me...

like I said, I am not a DU expert. I am, however, becoming more educated about the jump to conclusion sorts at DU. Thank you for schooling me and giving me a great lesson in how to grow thicker skin.

You are quite intolerant.

[rd_kent]

28. ok, then...buh-bye!!!

[MisterP]

9. send them North Korean propaganda, since they want to emulate it...

do a calendar-ese picture-a-day thing from here: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=north%20korean%20propaganda&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

and, of course, none of these claims have any citation...

[Maraya1969]

10. I understand why you posted it and people are just being mean and insensible.

You are looking for a good retort to the email.

The one thing I can think of is they are using undeveloped countries as their examples. Maybe check what happens when you cross illegally into Canada or European countries.

We are at war with 2 of those countries. N.Korea is run by a dictator Turkey I don't know about.

But I wish the people here will do what you want and give you some good ideas about how to respond so as to make the sender of this email look like the dumb-ed down version of the human race that they are.

[rhiannon55]

17. "I wish the people here will...give you some good ideas about how to respond"

I was hoping my earlier response (#4) might help.

Although countering propaganda with facts is usually pointless with the right wingers and freepers... They really can't tell the difference.

[Maraya1969]

23. I did see your post and it was good. I didn't realize it at the time but that is all that is

necessary to say.

[FLAprogressive]

14. so the right wingers want us to be like Iran and North Korea? That's a new one.

[Blue_Tires]

18. don't forget we have a debunking forum for all of these...

[ChoppinBroccoli]

21. If I May Translate

What that e-mail REALLY says is this:

"Countries we should aspire to be more like: North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, and Turkey." Life in those countries must be a Republican Utopia, since there are no illegal aliens there to screw everything up like there are here. Maybe you right-wing mouth breathers should consider a change of address.


That's how I would have responded.

[Enrique]

22. maybe they can get asylum in one of those countries

sounds like they like the way they do things over there.

[treestar]

29. A good thing to use on right wingnuts for this sort of thing

They are wrong on the U.S. but add - and they get to take your job! :rofl:

But right wingers think the US is the greatest nation ever to grace the earth. So point out to them their inconsistency. Are they admiring NK, Iran, etc.? They have just walked into a trap. The US take immigrants and is the greatest nation ever. Those other countries do not. Are they richer or greater? I don't think so. :rofl: