I have been told that blacks have to work twice as hard as whites to get the same credit.

[CTLawGuy]

After reading people's reactions to Obama over these past 10 months (and beyond), I believe it.

[Stinky The Clown]

1. I find your implications deeply offensive.

On edit .... the unrec was me.

[CTLawGuy]

2. who said I was talking about you?

NT

[Stinky The Clown]

3. I didn't think you were. I still find your post deeply offensive.

[CTLawGuy]

4. do you disagree with the underlying premise?

NT

[Stinky The Clown]

5. Your implication is that opposaition to Obama is racially biased.

I find *that* deeply offensive.

[imdjh]

7. Wow, do you play 64 level chess? I ask because I completely missed that implication.

[CTLawGuy]

8. of course

it never actually IS racism.... is it?

[Stinky The Clown]

18. Are you aiming that at me?

[bikingaz]

20. Gross generalization & exaggeration

For what it is worth, some women say the same thing

[imdjh]

6. I've been told that the full moon makes people act strangely.

I think it's bullshit. IN reality, people act weird all the time, but when the moon is full someone looks up and says, "Full moon."

[notesdev]

9. So in other words...

"anyone who criticizes Obama is a racist"


Neither original nor true.

[CTLawGuy]

11. no

all I said was that I have seen evidence that blacks have to work twice as hard to get equal credit as whites. nothing about criticizing anyone.


Sounds like a plausible explanation for everyone's impossibly inflated expectations for him.

[notesdev]

14. Maybe the actual reason

is the fact that he made loads of promises and people expect him to keep them. And he's not keeping them, in fact he's doing very little that is different from his predecessor, policy-wise, and that is why people are angry. They were sold "hope and change" and got instead "more of the same".

If his skin color had as much to do with it as you imply, he never would have been nominated, much less elected, in the first place.

[CTLawGuy]

15. so under that logic

just because the company actually hired that black middle manager, there's no racial dynamic at play at evaluation time?

[CTLawGuy]

16. "little different"

-like getting us out of Iraq (no, not immediately but it's happening)
-closing guantanamo (ditto)
-fundamentally changing US foreign relations from go-it-alone cowboy militarism to cooperative diplomacy
-on track to pass health reform (no it won't be perfect, but it will be positive)
-philosophy that government has a role in insuring economic health, rather than trying to solve all problems by tax cuts and deregulation,
-making careful decisions re: Afghanistan, rather than making snap decisions with no attention paid to facts.
-Bush acted like a king, and Obama acts like a president.

nope, totally the same as Bush :eyes:

[notesdev]

17. LOL

Everything you listed can be filed under "hope". You simply hope things are different, but there's no concrete evidence that they are.

When you realize you are being fed empty rhetoric with no actual substance behind it, you'll be as pissed as the rest of us.

Didn't he promise to close Guantanamo in his first week? That's now indefinitely postponed. Same applies to the rest of what you're hoping for.

[Indenturedebtor]

21. Evidence requires data when you're making broad sweeping generalizations

Controlled, scientifically gathered, data.

:thumbsdown:

[msongs]

10. "I have been told..." many things. some r true, some r not nt

[Raineyb]

23. Yeah well the part where black people have to work twice as hard to get

half as much credit is actually true.

[sandnsea]

12. Obviously

Which of course doesn't mean everybody criticizing Obama is a racist. Some are just idiots.

[CTLawGuy]

13. that is true.

and I did not say that everyone who criticizes Obama is a racist, so I agree with you.

[BR_Parkway]

19. So any criticism of the man is because of his skin color? Broad brush

much?

Just once I'd like to see one of the cheerleaders actually admit that Obama has done one small thing that they didn't agree with. Personally, I'm about 2/3 in his corner - for every thing I wish had been done differently, I tend to have 2 others that I agree with the man on. But apparently that's not good enough for some folks around here - we must all be in lock-step or be branded as racist people who simply want the administration to fail.

The biggest faults I find with the administration are usually related to keeping the same robber-barons in positions of authority (Geitner and the rest of the Goldman Sucks crew) and GLBT rights. Keeping in the Goldman Sucks folks actually made some sense to me during the initial transition as to project stability to the markets but I keep expecting that somewhere along the line, reforms would be put into place to keep it from happening again (break up the "too big to fail", put Glass-Steagle back into law, usury laws for the CC companies). As for the continual tap dancing around the GLBT issues, it's not even so much the lack of progress at this point as it is the numerous opportunities the administration has had to speak up on our behalf when it could have made a difference along with the numerous times they've spoken against us when they didn't need to. Anyone who can't see that, well, they come across more as a cult of personality than a serious person who is actually trying to work on doing what is best for our country and all of it's citizens

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

22. ok, i must admit that was the first thing I thought of when

Obama won the Nobel, and the immediate reaction from everyone (it seemed), ESPECIALLY our side was negative, with no discussion on why he might have won it.

And yes, I think elements of this (from some people) are certainly rooted in racism.

I am not saying all criticism of O is racism, but i think we are kidding ourselves not to recognize that there is racism in this country aimed at Obama.