I was 11B1P in the 82nd Airborne---and we never had live ammo in the barracks.

[trumad]

11B1P is Airborne Infantry---and it's a myth if you think we carry around live ammo at our post. We just don't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. well I l blame hollywood and lack of service by most muricans

for that myth. The last time troops had live ammo in their quarters, read barracks, was.... at no time in peace time... and only in a warzone... as in active warzone and close to the front lines.

Hell, most folks do not realize all the paperwork that needs to die before a bullet is issued.

:patriot:

[trumad]

3. We never had live ammo anywhere near our barracks, etc.... it was all out on the range.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. I know that, you know that, but things like Full Mental Jacket

and a few other movies tell a different story. They took that license to tell a story... but you and I know it is far from reality.

Unfortunately that is the reference people have.

Hell I am sure your sergeants and range masters killed trees to account for every bullet. Hey, careers have gone down due to missing ammo. (Mind you it does happen)

[Vickers]

2. The only time I had small arms/ammo on base was:

a couple of times I was in a comm. hardsite (crypto environment), and we had M-16s in there in case the base was overrun (plus axes to break up the equipment).

[cynatnite]

4. In Germany we had some who carried their weapons and live ammo, too....

These were units that came in for training and not permanently stationed there. At Ft. Hunter-Liggett there were a few who carried theirs as well, but it wasn't a large installation like Ft. Hood is.

I thought the guy had his own personal weapons that he used for this.

[paulsby]

7. he did, but

we had a bunch of posts by gun grabber ignorati saying that tons of people on the base had guns, and yet a mass shooting happened, as if this case refutes the notion that the availability of guns to the general populace decreases the chance of, and severity of, mass shootings, a la virginia tech

of course they didn't realize that military bases like fort hood have armed MP's, but most of the soldiers walking around are unarmed, and aren;'t even allowed to carry their own weapons concealed, like they can do OFF base in many cases

[cynatnite]

10. I thought the mass killing at Camp Liberty in Baghdad refuted that notion...

all those armed troops and weapons lying about didn't stop one guy from killing five soldiers. He used a military issue weapon that was sitting unattended in a Hummer.

The wingnuts need to know that having an armed populace isn't going to slow down one psycho whose intent is to kill as many people as possible.

[paulsby]

11. it's slowed numerous psychos down

as well as in some cases, even preventing the shooting in the first place.

but you are correct. the guy in camp liberty managed to off five soldiers.

despite an armed populace.

it's not a guarantee.

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[cynatnite]

15. Any chance of editing that last word?

It is rather offensive.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Hardly portable though

:hi:

Thanks for the laugh....

[Aristus]

24. It's very portable if you have this to carry it around in:

Why carry your weapon when your weapon can carry you? B-)

I think it's cute the way the NRA types go on and on about their S&W's, Glocks and so on. As if they actually understood true firepower...

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. But gas mileage sucks on that thing!!!!

:-)

Now here is one thing I have found about many of the NRA types. They know about their toys, but they have hardly served or had to actually ahem DUCK! and take cover for real.

Now some have... but I find that increasingly those in love with their toys (as piddly as they may be) have not really served.

By the way, I think hubby would have somethings to say about that... he was a bubble head. His toys were a little bigger too.

:rlol:

I was a medic... so my toys were not self propelled.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

19. I don't suppose the gun nuts in this thread will grasp the irony that it is the Army who are ...

... also 'gun grabbers'

Even the Army realizes it's neither good idea or good policy to have soldiers running around armed when not it combat.

Guns Galore indeed. Remind people of that name every time they spout their tripe regarding their solemn 2nd amendment rights.

[RB TexLa]

5. I have never been in the military and I would have bet money there would not be live ammo

just out and about on a military base. Doesn't take too much sense to figure out it's not a war zone and there isn't just going to be thousands of people walking around with loaded guns.

[Ptah]

6. 93 AMS SAC

Our ammo was too big to carry by hand.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. But I've been on a million simulated army bases and there's ammo everywhere.

Right between the minigun and the exploding barrels. Down the hall from the rocket launcher.

[Lost-in-FL]

12. That is why the MP's have their headquarters near the entrance of each post...

so you can leave your registered firearm locked there. Yes you can have a registered firearm, but NO you cannot have it with you inside the post or your barracks. Watch out for those checkpoints on post, you get caught you are in deep shit!

[itsrobert]

22. It's close to the gate where they post guards

A secondary issue would be for weapons storage.

But it's not very smart to have your police hqtrs next to the perimeter of the base. It can be taken out very easily, and you don't want your first responders that vulnerable to attack.

[cliffordu]

13. I had all the ammo I could carry every day I was in Vietnam....

Here in the states I never possessed a round until I got to the range.

BIG penalties for being caught with ammo or empty brass, even, while not on the range.

[Cirque du So-What]

16. Over a three-year period

a storekeeper on a submarine tender made phony requisitions for Colt .45 ACP parts until he had everything for a complete weapon. The auditing is so stringent that he got caught - even served time in Leavenworth.

[Thothmes]

18. When I was a chief engineer on a destroyer

I submitted a requisition for an M60A1 tank. Found the FSN by accident. The Navy supply system processed the requisition, then passed it over to Defense Supply, who passed it to Army Supply. Received a message a couple of months later stating that the item requisitioned was not authorized for issue to the ship.

[trumad]

20. LOL---that's pretty funny.

[-..__...]

21. I was in the 82nd myself...

74-78 (it's also when I bought my very first firearm... a British No. 5 Mk I Jungle Carbine B-) ), and one of my duties was working in the arms room and live ammo wasn't even allowed in there.

Whenever we had live fire/range training, all the spent brass was policed, tossed back in the ammo cans and sent back to the ammo point.

We were told (truthfully or not), that the returned brass was weighed for accountability to ensure that none was stolen from the range.

We were allowed to have privately owned firearms, but if we lived on base, the guns had to be kept in the arms room and signed in and out like any other firearm.

Anyone desiring to purchase any firearm (from the ocean of gun and pawn shops off base), needed to provided a signed letter from their company commander.

Several times a year the brass would conduct unannounced "health and welfare" inspections (locker searches). Mostly they were looking for drugs and related paraphernalia, but every now and then someone would get caught with an unauthorized firearm in their locker.

Those that got caught were subjected to disciplinary action.

[ClarkUSA]

23. That's right. nt