My dad (ex-army, Vietnam vet) commenting on the fort shooting:

[daedalus_dude]

"That army shit fucks you up pretty bad."

"Back in the day they would have covered the shit up and no one would have heard about it. Now soldiers have cellphones."

"Watch the media just drop the subject after a few days. They ain't gonna talk about it forever like they did with Columbine. No one will ever find out what really happened."

[FarCenter]

1. In the past, they've lost more than this many in a training exercise

Parachutes don't always open.

[BrklynLiberal]

2. "No one will ever find out what really happened." That is exactly what I said earlier today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6938298&mesg_id=6945746

[vadawg]

3. nope, shooter is still alive so we will have trial and execution, so it will be with us a while

unless he really is dead and they believe he does have co conspirators and they are trying to get them to run (donning tin foil hat, earmuffs and thong)

[Booster]

5. Thanks for that belly laugh. Funny as Hell.

[Kali]

7. ouch

tin foil thongx(

[vadawg]

8. hey if the waves can effect my top brain, then im sure as hell protecting the numero uno brain below

you got to prioritise my friend.......

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. You believe the court martial will be open for all to watch?

Okie dokie....

Here is a free clue, that I am sure most people missed.

Yesterday the Base Commander did the pressers.

Today that three star was MIA....

The road to shuttin' the whole thing up already started.

Oh and it is damn easy... just put a TS or ATS on any document distantly related to this and give a few straight orders.

[vadawg]

13. you know something, i dont really care, i dont need to see another OJ trial

if the courts martial is closed thats fine..... if they execute him behind closed doors thats fine as well....

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. I am just 'splaining to you why you are wrong

oh and court martials are hardly OJ trials. The JURY are fellow officers... same rank or above.

But chances are this will be closed down for national security reasons. Some of them, mind you, very valid national security reasons.

Oh and you may hate this, but this guy will get the BEST representation the army can get him... and I mean that. They may even decide NOT to prosecute for mental health reasons. Though I hardly expect that, would not shock me...

Oh and on edit, if this does not go to trial for mental reasons, I hate to point this out, but there will be no execution either.

[vadawg]

19. hey i got no problem with the guy getting the best representation

or if hes unable to be found guilty due to insanity etc etc, i just got no issue with the military dealing with this according to their rules.. i actually trust them to do a good job either way....

[CatWoman]

4. as a matter of fact, Rachel reported on similar incidences on two other bases

.........

[peacetalksforall]

6. I don't want it dropped until we have the names of the two who were released and the

entire story, plus the results of their physical exams and minute by minute movements.

[Rhiannon12866]

9. Thanks for passing this on...

Your Dad obviously knows what he's talking about, though it's sure not something we like hearing. :-(

[jaysunb]

10. Much wider range of communication these days.

It's pretty hard to cover ANYTHING up.

Your Dads right: the Army and it's bullshit CAN fuck you up if you're weak or predisposed.
Shit similar to this happened in Vietnam...some of it got reported years later, after it was over, the rest are just unpleasant memories in the minds of those of us that witnessed it. (fraggin) :shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. That already started

today's presser was given by Casey and the Secretary of the Army. A certain three star was missing.

[MadMaddie]

15. It is possible that the 3 stars ass may be in trouble

this happened on his watch, someone missed all of the red flags. Someone will take the fall because it's way to public now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. And given the two contradictory stories given by him

it points to a break down in command and control.

I know.

His ass is in the sling. Wait for the retirement to come.

[2Design]

16. it does and this is what non-military don't get and most gop are non-military

Vietnam war was hell on everyone and it wasn't because of war protesters as McCain and others still fighting the Vietnam war want to believe.

[NoSheep]

18. There's nothing like the voice of experience to give you some perspective.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

20. A tortured soul if there ever was one

How many more are out there returning from Iraq & Afghanistan?