Anyone here study the Koran?

[goldcanyonaz]

What does it say about infidels and naysayers.

Thank you.

[mia]

1. Read a little bit about it in 2001

Infidels'R'US

[tekisui]

2. Go here:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/

[Arctic Dave]

3. Has anyone read the Bible?

What does it say about infidels and naysayers.

[itsrobert]

5. See post #4 n/t

n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

9. Koran

Not much of the bible is taken seriously.

Much of the Koran is, that's why I asked.

[blonndee]

16. "Not much of the bible is taken seriously. " Are you kidding?!?

Please tell me you are. :eyes:

[piratefish08]

20. You are fucking joking right?

not much of the bible is taken seriously??

you need to get out more.

[itsrobert]

4. I rarely read fiction

so nope.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. That they should be TS'd

[blondeatlast]

21. Long overdue, but this one flies under the radar. nt

[gleaner]

7. If what you are saying ..

is that the Moslems are any different in their view of people who don't share their faith than many other religions, could I suggest that you look at the larger pattern of history which encompasses religious hatred and intolerance every bit as bad, if not worse?

The Crusades which involved both Christians and Moslems, the Spanish Inquisition which allowed church officials to torture and kill anyone they deemed to be a heretic within their shared faith. How about the persecution of the Huguenots in France where they were shot for sport.

Then there were the Pilgrims here who fled religious persecution of their own, only to impose it on others with different views when they got here. The Mormons who were shot to death while in jail in Illinois by the "regular Christians." Should I go on, or is the point that very few people find difference attractive or forgivable? That is a shame, because aside for differences in outlook we are all human, yet we can't treat each other as such.

If that is not what you are saying, pardon the ring.

[mia]

8. They all had God on their side

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSxkuMkYH4w

[gleaner]

14. Yeah.

Amazing how that happens. Thanks for the link. It is a beautiful, appropriate song and Aaron Neville sings it perfectly.


We all need to work to stop the cycles of violence and revenge which only escalate further each time they are repeated. War is not the answer. Hatred is not the answer. We need to start relating to others as humans who are as much in need of kindness and concern as we are.

Before I got too sick with MS to keep it going, my husband and I used to run a peace board. Eventually we began getting feedback. Very little of it was hateful which did surprise me, because I had expected to be inundated with hate mail due to the political climate. The hate mail I did not publish. I simply wrote back to the authors and told them that I was not going to provide a forum for their hatred. If they wanted to make their views known then they could pay for their own server, write their own board and see what came back to them.

I got two pieces of mail that were gut wrenching. One was from a 10 year old Iranian girl whose parents had migrated to New Zealand to escape the rising fundamentalism in Iran. She was terrified that Bush was going to bomb Iran with nukes and kill the members of her family who had stayed behind. With her father's help she had constructed an internet site where she posted about her fears and encouraged other children to do so too. I checked her out and she was who she told me she was, so I linked her board to mine so that she could have a better audience. She happened to be a Moslem but first and foremost she was a terrified child with the US as her ultimate boogy man.

The other letter was from a soldier who had just returned from Iraq with PTSD who poured out his feelings to me and said that no one in the government cared what happened to the soldiers they were sending out to die. I published his letter and asked him if he wanted to write an article that I would post. He said he wasn't that together, but at least someone had cared enough to ask. I never heard from him again. I wonder what happened to him, to this day.

[mia]

17. Thank you for sharing your experiences.

So many children, so many soldiers, are victims of these 'so-called' religious wars. These wars are blasphemy, from all sides, in every sense of the word.

[gleaner]

25. You're welcome

And you are right about these wars. For me the same applies to all wars.

[timtom]

27. Exactly right!

Thank you both. Gleaner and Mia.

[FarCenter]

15. Don't forget the crusade against the Cathars

Abbot of Cîteaux, Arnaud Amaury was appointed as military leader of the crusaders during the first stages of the war in 1209. This was a perfectly normal occurrence at this time, but Arnaud's love of terror and killing was perhaps above average, even for a senior churchman. It was he who was responsible for the mass burning alive of "many heretics and many fair women" at Casseneuil", for the massacre at Béziers, where some 20,000 men, women and children were killed in an "exercise of Christian charity", and for the immortal words "Kill them all. God will know his own".

http://www.languedoc-france.info/120502_arnaud.htm

[snagglepuss]

10. That is really a pointless question because there will be millions of Muslims

who say that Islam is about tolerance and quote parts of the Koran. There are other millions of Muslims who will say that infidels are abhorrent and nay sayers should be killed and they will quote the Koran. It is no different than various interpretations of the Bible. Every Christian denomination quotes the Bible but they all come up with different interpretations.

[goldcanyonaz]

12. Infidels

So, I take it you have not studied the Koran?

[snagglepuss]

13. Spare me. Kafirs. Is that better?

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[UTUSN]

11. "infidels"?!1 n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

24. ...

Nothing to add?

[riverwalker]

18. puzzled by the question

You can buy one on Amazon used for $1.98, read it in a couple of hours, and attempt to understand what millions believe.

[goldcanyonaz]

22. infidels

so, your 1.98 got you what?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Anyone hear study Mein Kampf?

What's it say on page 139, paragraph 3, line 2?

Thank you, GCA

[billyclem]

26. If by infidels you mean Jews and Christians

the Koran refers to them as 'people of the book'. And asking what the Koran says about them is too broad of a question to answer since many different conditions and situations a Muslim will face with the Jews and Christians are addressed. The question must be put in a specific context. I'll answer the question for one case, "Do not take them as friends!".