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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:50 PM
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The Backstory On Tancredo (ChickenHawk)... If You Don't Know...
Tom Tancredo is a Big War Advocate But Was a Vietnam War Draft Dodger Due to Claims of Depression
December 11, 2007

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He's a flame throwing supporter of the Iraq War and demagogic opponent of "illegal" immigration (as in Mexican immigration, not white people immigration). As a college student, he also was a rabid enthusiast for our war in Vietnam.

But Tom Tancredo, the congressman who invites guests over to his Colorado mansion to watch John Wayne movies, was given a 1-Y deferment from serving in Vietnam. Why? Because he claims that he was treated for mental illness while in high school.

No, that doesn't stigmatize mental health problems. Lord knows we need to pay more attention to them as a nation and get more coverage for them in our health insurance programs -- and hopefully national health insurance.

But it is a bit too consistent that one of the current bottom tier GOP presidential contenders is just another Chickenhawk. Like Cheney who got multiple deferments that kept him from serving in Vietnam, like Bush who used Daddy's help to get him in the cushy Texas Air National Guard to avoid combat, Tancredo got himself out of the army during a war he supported by declaring that he was mentally ill.

If the story seems all too emblematic of GOP hypocrisy, that is because it is true.

A "Rocky Mountain News" article recounts:

It was reported that in 1970, after Tancredo's student deferments ran out, he appealed his 1-A draft status, which would have put him at the top of the list for draft eligibility during the Vietnam War.

Tancredo said he didn't remember it that way. But he said he was given a 1-Y status, which put him at the bottom of the list, when he reported that he had been treated for mental illness as a teenager.

Tancredo said he was diagnosed with depression when he was 16 or 17 and received medication for five years for panic attacks and bouts of anxiety and depression....

In a radio interview, Tancredo was quoted saying "I did not serve. I could not serve, but I certainly wish that I had that opportunity."


Do you ever get the feeling that these guys -- like Tancredo, Cheney and Bush -- are playing toy soldiers, blowing everything up as a way of overcompensating for their cowardice? Not that we would ask such a question.

And who is Tancredo's campaign manager in his volatile, narcissistic campaign for president? According to a Scripps Howard News Service article,

"The woman behind Tancredo's flirtation with the 2008 presidential race is Bay Buchanan, treasurer of Ronald Reagan's presidential campaigns and the sister behind conservative commentator Pat Buchanan's presidential runs.

"Tom, to me, is the best grass-roots candidate there is," Buchanan said. "He energizes a real base. He has a cause. He represents an entire movement. The movement is there. The others don't have a movement."


Although he's an over-the-top war advocate with outlandish ideas about "retaliation" (including bombing Mecca), he's become best known for his code word racist campaign against Mexican immigration.

"Right after 9/11, Tom Tancredo was pushing many of the ideas that bona fide white-supremacist groups were pushing," said Mark Potok, director of intelligence for the Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama, which monitors hate groups.

That's some movement, Bay, the chickenhawk, racist demagogues who, like your brother, want to lead an army of peasants with pitchforks, as long as Tom doesn't have to actually be in combat, that is. That would be too depressing for him. He just likes to play George Patton, not have to really face bullets. A coward can only handle so much.

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Link: http://blog.buzzflash.com/editorblog/020

:rofl:
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:55 PM
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1. holy shit. nt
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:56 PM
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2. You need to be fair and put yourself in Tom Tancredo's shoes.
If you were this hypocritical piece of shit, you might be depressed about that, too.

Good on ya, Ed! Never get a Republican guest again, but it was worth it.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:04 PM
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9. David Shuster subbed for Ed Today
ok
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:56 PM
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3. Thanks - that reminds me how lucky we are not to have to listen to Bay Buchanan anymore. nt
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Graybeard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:01 PM
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4. Tancredo can't handle the truth.
When confronted with these facts on The Ed Show he ran away. Tells you everything you need to know about this hypocrite.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:02 PM
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7. Sociopaths always cry when you call them on their shit. nt
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:02 PM
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5. If he was actually treated for depression why is he being pilloried for it now?
There was,and is,clinical depression in my family and it is no joke,

Of course if his claims of treatment were untrue that would be another story.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:03 PM
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8. You must not know much about Tancredo. nt
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:13 PM
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12. I know quite a bit about him but the subject of my post was depression.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:21 PM
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16. If Tancredo wasn't such a hawk about others getting killed, I might care about...
...his teenage depression ~ as it is, I think he used some therapy sessions as a big fat excuse.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:43 PM
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17. This is Tancredo. This is a Repub Chickenhawk, someone who sends OTHERS to be killed...
... when given ample opportunity to serve on their own.

Clinical depression is no joke, I agree, but that's really not the issue here. What's at issue is the great enthusiasm so many Republican politicians have for waging war, when so very, very few of them have actually been in one.

Hekate

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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:47 PM
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18. I have been treated for depression and anxiety attacks myself..
I was also "of age" in 1970 and frankly, I don't remember even HEARING of meds for anxiety attacks then...They had meds for Depression, but they were lousy.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:01 PM
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20. Aah,but there was "mother's little helper" for anxiety in those days.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 06:59 AM
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27. A Stones fan, huh?....Yes, they had tranquilizers...I didn't take them.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:36 PM
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29. being 1-A in that time
depressed everyone. jesusonafenderstrat, if you weren't wanting to go, it depressed the hell out of you waiting for your notice, or watching your buddies come home depressed to the grave.

seems the arm chair warriors always want to use some excuse or other.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 06:06 PM
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33. Yup...I remember it well...The love of my life got drafted and he was
none too happy about it. Thank God he came home alive and in one piece...Although no longer the "love of my life".
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:49 PM
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19. Who is subjecting Tancredo to pillory?
I'm not. I've been treated for clinical depression. I think I have a relative perspective on the issue.

People are pointing and laughing because Tancredo tried to laud his threadbare, selective patriotism over Mr. Moulitsas and was shot down by his own history. Tom Tancredo is a hateful, childish man who has no trouble condemning others for whatever yet, when someone points out the log in his eye, he immediately screams: "No fair!"

When I was first diagnosed, I spent a long time blaming the world for not understanding me. As time went along and I learned to cope I realized that my self-pity was as debilitating as my illness. Yes, I have a disorder but I refuse to use my disorder as a crutch.

I bet you a nickle that if I were arguing with Mr. Tancredo, and he knew my mental health history, he would not hesitate to discredit me with that history.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:47 PM
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30. If he was treated for a condition that he actually HAD and can dcoument, why let Kos scare him off?
I sure as hell am not going to take Tancredo's word for it that he wasn't just trying to weasel out of being drafted to fight in a war he supported as long as he was safe in the U.S.A.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:02 PM
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6. Sounds like Markos and Schuster REALLY set this bum up!
And great the way they did it on camera to call him out for being such a bastard and hypocrite he's been all of these years!
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justabob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:06 PM
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10. isn't he also
the congressman who suggested (maybe even wrote a bill)that pink triangles would be a great idea for the glbt community to wear on their clothes?

going to have to go look that one up.... it was a while ago, and I may be remembering the wrong asshole.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:10 PM
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11. Great post
Let him storm off the set when the facts are stated. :rofl:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:14 PM
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13. Chickenhawks are chickenshit..
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:14 PM
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14. Rush Limbaugh probably gets together with these guys and boasts about his anal cysts
He probably parades around the room openly displaying his cysts and tells the other chickenhawks, "my ticket out of Vietnam was more clever than yours". Bush says "well, I woke up from a drunken stupor in the dentist chair and I have the dental records to prove it". Cheney says "I screwed my wife, had a kid, and I've been screwing the country ever since."
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:15 PM
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15. boy, the dumb-ass runs deep in the buchanan family
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Louisiana1976 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 09:53 PM
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21. Wouldn't it be great for Tancredo to be caught in a sex scandal....
with a male who's in this country without the proper documents?
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 06:49 AM
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26. Why, that would be a veritable...
...trifecta!
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 10:46 PM
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22. K&R
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:16 AM
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23. I am of the same generation
It was hard not to be militaristic. I passed my days in the late 50's and early 60's playing soldiers and cowboys and indians... We watched Combat and Roy Rogers and a plethora of other westerns and war shows.. Gunsmoke, Bonanza, The Rifleman, Etc.... Comic books played into it ar 12 cents, Sgt. Rock and I forget the name of the one from DC, had to do with Sherman Tanks and the ghost of JEB Stuart...

We were the baby boomers and our parents had lived it, and it was repeated in the culture for 25 years after it was over, and echoed in Ronnie Raygun when many boomers came of age....

I was not drafted, in 1972, my eligibility year, they drastically cut down on the draft. Nor did I volunteer. But had I been drafted I would have served and I appreciate all who have served. I wish no one had to....

Rambling here, but my point is that growing up in the 20 year war winning orgy of congrats USA all the way bullshit we were fed, it is not hard to understand where the wingers are coming from. They never saw the bullshit, they were just kids...
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:32 PM
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31. G.I. Combat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Haunted_Tank

The DC war comics were unflinching at showing the horrors of war, despite the occasional fantastical/supernatural story.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:46 AM
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24. "Panic and anxiety attacks"
oh boo hoo :nopity: I suffer from those and while they are unpleasant what a Bullshit excuse. I would've liked to have seen someone like General Patton get ahold of him, he would've slapped the shit out of him. :spank:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 06:23 AM
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25. The vast number of republicon chickenhawks is depressing
They ought to just nut up or shut up.
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C_Lawyer09 Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:43 AM
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28. And what's worse
Not only did they avoid service, they deride heroes who did at great personal cost and sacrifice, Max Cleland for example who was drummed out of office by a terrible smear campaign.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:43 PM
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32. YAF
I remember the Young Americans for Freedom from my student days. They were the first neocon astroturf group. I was actually friends with the leader of one campus chapter. They were only in it for the money that was doled out to them under the table. This particular one was a poor student from Brooklyn that did it for the dough. I'm sure Tancredo is the same and sold out a long time back is just a hack operative with no beliefs at all, except a deep need for authority so he can enjoy kissing ass. Its just another side of human nature.
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