Killers come in all colors and religions.

[ddeclue]

Let us always remember that.

Yes, Major Hasan was a Muslim and a soldier. But Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were also soldiers happened to be Christians. Only one day after yesterday's Texas shooting we had another mass shooting right here in Orlando and this time the shooter was Hispanic not Jordanian in national origin, Jason Rodriguez.

A few years ago, Lee Boyd Malvo and John Allen Mohammed were black - but then Charles Whitman, Lee Harvey Oswald, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were all white.

John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer were white but then Charles Ng was Asian.

Let us not judge an entire race, nationality and religion by the psychotic behavior of someone who just happens to be a member of that group.


Doug D.
Orlando, FL


"The point is there's a gulf in this country; an ever-widening abyss between the people who have stuff, and the people who don't have shit. It's like this big hole in the ground, as big as the fucking Grand Canyon, and what's come pouring out is an eruption of rage, and the rage creates violence, and the violence is real, Mack. Nothing's gonna make it go away, until someone changes something, which is not going to happen. And you may not like it, even I may not like it, but I can't pretend it isn't there because that it is a lie, and when art lies, it becomes worthless. So I gotta keep telling the truth, even if it scares the shit out of me, like it scares the shit out of you. Even if it means some motherfucker can blow a big hole in my leg for a watch, and I'm gonna walk with a fucking limp for the rest of my life and call myself lucky." - Davis from "Grand Canyon", 1990.

[Howardx]

1. i would venture to say

that the vast majority of murderers in the US consider themselves christian if anything.

[ddeclue]

2. But again that is simply because the vast majority of Americans claim to be Christians.

Christians are no more likely to be killers than any other group.

[Howardx]

6. you said it yourself

in america murderers are more likely to be christian than anything else, why argue?

[ddeclue]

7. No that's NOT what I said. I said killers come in all colors.

The only reason that there are more white christian killers is simply that there are more whites and christians.

[paulsby]

22. people are more likely to be christian too

duh.

christians may or may not be more likely to murder. but you have to take that, based on their representation in a population.

but that's not the issue

the issue of religion is important when the murder is MOTIVATED by religion.

like when extremists murder doctors who perform abortion

or in this case, where ample evidence suggests his religion had considerable influence

[stray cat]

4. Of course you would and most would consider themselves Americans as well

and all would consider themselves human and most would feel self righteous and victimized

[ejpoeta]

3. as soon as i heard the guy's name i thought oh no.... they are going to try to turn it into

muslim=terrorist or something. this should be an eye opener for the fact these soldiers really need to have their mental needs taken seriously.... very seriously.

[stray cat]

5. Lets wait and see what the murderer calls his motive....I suspect he knows.

Was is any surprise what the motive was for the murderer of the abortion doctor - no one on DU suggested a motive other than targeting abortion doctors -

[ejpoeta]

11. i was referring to people who think all muslims are terrorists... sorry if i was

not clear. i did not assume he was a terrorist. but i have no doubt that just his name alone would be enough for those that seem to think that muslim=terrorist.

[paulsby]

24. yes they did

numerous people INSTANTLY assumed it was an extremist christian, when tiller was murdered

and in fact... it was

NOBODY would instantly assume a soldier who fragged a bunch of his own troops was an extremist muslim, though.

at least not here.

but regardless of what people speculated on BEFORE the facts were known, the fact is LOTS of facts were known that suggests this guy's religion was of significance in his motivation.

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[ddeclue]

9. Freeper comment without any basis in fact. Go away now.

[MrScorpio]

10. Jeez, you again

Find any converts to your bullshit yet?

Keep up the good work

[mrbarber]

12. Where was this post/article when Tiller was murdered?

[AllieB]

13. This is a much different circumstance. Apples and oranges.

[mrbarber]

14. Really? How so?

[The Magistrate]

15. Among Other Things, Sir

The killer in that instance had a long record of public activity and statements declaring his religious motivations for his actions.

[mrbarber]

16. And it's come out that the Fort Hood shooter did also.

According to his colleagues (one of whom was a Muslim also)

[The Magistrate]

17. There Certainly Have Been Such Reports, Sir

The weight of them is becoming impressive. It is quite possible religious conviction played a part in this, either as a primary motivator, or as an 'acceptable narrative' for the working out of personal disturbance on suicidal lines.

Two points remain, however. First, the information we are discussing was not known till many hours after the incident, so people who leapt to the conclusion immediately cannot claim retroactively to have been making statements based on evidence instead of bigoted stereotype. The fact is they were engaged in the latter, and got lucky. Second, the evidence which has come to light is of a very different character than the public career of the person who shot Dr. Tiller. It consists of private statements by a private person, with no record of activism, and it does not have as yet sufficient bulk to demonstrate this had been a dominant urge in his personality. The person who killed Dr. Tiller had demonstrated for years his over-riding commitment to a religious terror movement, and those were facts well known in public sources at the moment of his arrest.

[AllieB]

19. And Dr. Tiller's killer has a long history of extremism and violence dating back to 1996.

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/01/alleged-killer-of-abortion-doctor-has-decades-long-history-of-extremism/

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/06/04/video-rachel-maddow-mines-history-scott-roeders-anticlinic-violence

He is an anti-abortion radical.

So how is this situation similar?

[earth mom]

18. Yep and that's why I got pissed when idiots here started spouting shit about terrorists & muslims.

:argh:

[AllieB]

20. I've seen posts on DU regarding Muslims that would be at home on FR,

:eyes:

except the posters know how to spell.

[paulsby]

21. nobody's judging an entire reliigion or race but it is perfectly appropriate

to note religious influence on evil acts, even if (god forbid) the person is a muslim.

the vast majority of murders committed by people are not religiously motivated.

there is ample evidence suggesting this one was

[The Magistrate]

23. That Is True, Sir

[alarimer]

25. Yes and notice how no one is mentioning the religion of the guy in Orlando.

But then again he isn't a scary brown person, just a scary white (probably Christian) guy.

[The Magistrate]

26. So, Ma'am, Do You Think His Religion Had Any Bearing On His Actions?