i don't understand why the Jewish community isn't more than outraged?

[spanone]

this picture was used as political fodder in the healthcare debate.

perhaps they are outraged, but i have seen no indication.

[TwilightGardener]

1. Well, isn't that disgusting? I find it hard to be surprised by the teabaggers anymore.

[rockymountaindem]

2. What's the point? These offensive fools aren't going to stop

Getting mad at them only makes them feel more self-righteous, and (as you can frequently see from discussions around here) any time Jewish people try to point out how the Holocaust was a particularly severe episode, we get accused of being self-centered and trying to "declare a monopoly on the word". It's a no-win.

[treestar]

6. That's not true

Come down off that cross.

[Behind the Aegis]

13. It is true.

Just flip through posts here about the Grayson comments.

[spanone]

19. using pictures of the actual dead is BEYOND THE PALE. they must be called on this.

[rockymountaindem]

23. Nothing is beyond the pale

I once saw a sign with a drawing of a Nazi officer and a woman in a NOW baseball cap equating the two because of the "abortion holocaust". Not in person, but on the internet. I think that's the last time I got offended over something like this. First I thought "well, except that the NOW lady isn't going to show up at my house with a squad of goons and drag me out into the street to be shot". Then I realized that this crowd doesn't care who they offend, so it's best just to let them wallow in their own hole.

[EOTE]

3. I'm thinking they are. Certainly ones that know about it.

Barney Frank showed how little of that type of shit he was willing to take at a town hall event. He should be applauded for the way he handled it.

[Pirate Smile]

4. Elie Wiesel: "This kind of political hatred is indecent and disgusting"

http://twitter.com/eliewieselfdn/status/5484104083

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1109/Weisel_blasts_the_tea_party_antiSemitism_Indecent_and_disgusting.html?showall

[Behind the Aegis]

5. Maybe you aren't looking hard enough?

NJDC:GOP must condemn “Tea Party” signs
By Eric Fingerhut · November 6, 2009


The National Jewish Democratic Council is calling on top Republicans to condemn the Holocaust imagery and anti-Semitism on signs seen at Thursday's "Tea Party" protest in Washington.

House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence (R-Ind.) were among the GOP leaders who spoke in front of the more than 5,000 activists protesting Democratic-sponsored health-care reform legislation. The crowd, according to media reports, included attendess holding a pair of banners picturing Holocaust victims with the words "National Socialist Healthcare, Dachau, Germany, 1945" and a smaller sign stating that "Obama takes his orders from the Rothchilds."

NJDC president David Harris said the signs were "vile and disgusting" and it was "morally incumbent" for any speaker at the rally to condemn them.

Asked how a speaker at a rally could be expected to know the content of all signs in the crowd, Harris said that, according to media reports, the Dachau sign -- with its familiar image of stacked bodies -- was front and center and very visible to anyone at the podium.

"It might be uncomfortable and awkward" for a speaker to interrupt their speech to talk about signs in the crowd, but they should have done it, Harris said. "It's inconceivable that they were unaware" of the signs, he added.

A spokesman for Boehner told Politico: "Leader Boehner did not see any such sign. Obviously, it would be grossly inappropriate."

Meanwhile, Elie Wiesel has spoken out on his Twitter feed. He posted Friday afternoon: "This kind of political hatred is indecent and disgusting."

more...

[spanone]

12. i watch the media most of the day....i haven't seen much in the way of outrage

maybe the media is not reporting it

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Or maybe it isn't on because of the recent shootings.

I suggest not limiting your "media" to the TV.

[spanone]

17. don't assume

[Behind the Aegis]

18. Irony?

[spanone]

33. i don't get all my media from the teevee, but most of america does.

[Behind the Aegis]

42. I guess you didn't understand.

Refer to your subject line in the OP.

[spanone]

44. if the Jewish community is more than outraged then i would encourage them to get the word out.

no irony that i detect.

[Behind the Aegis]

46. Read your posts again...

Better yet, let me help you....

You said:

spanone (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-06-09 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. i watch the media most of the day....i haven't seen much in the way of outrage
maybe the media is not reporting it

I responded:

Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-06-09 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. Or maybe it isn't on because of the recent shootings.
I suggest not limiting your "media" to the TV.

To me, your post implied TV ("i watch the media...", thus my suggestion to not limit your media to TV (as evidenced by my very first post)). Now, it could also be read as you "watch" all forms of media, but I didn't see it that way, which resulted in my remark, rightly or wrongly. To which you told me "don't assume."

Now, let's look at what started this entire thread....


i don't understand why the Jewish community isn't more than outraged?

See anything about that statement? It is an assumption! Which is why when you told me "don't assume," I answered with "Irony?" Do you understand now?

Now, your suggestion, what should we do? Riot? Do run-ons on live TV? Hold vigils? What? Just what level of outrage should we, Jews, express and how to satisfy you?

[joeybee12]

14. It's appalling that you have to "look hard" for the outrage...

...people are outraged, yet the MSM doesn't lead with that story...these teabaggers are racist, anti-semitic shit.

[Taverner]

7. I think most Jews are "Been there, seen that"

We got upset when holocaust photos were used in Abortion Protests....

We got upset when holocaust photos were used in Obama Protests....

At this point we're thinking "WTF - no one gives a shit if we're pissed off anymore...."

It's not that we're not upset - but its like asking to get upset about the World Church of the Creator. Fuckheads, being fuckheads, will act like fuckheads.

[Bonobo]

11. Yup. That's it. nt

[spanone]

15. yes, but i haven't seen this used by one of our political parties...that's what makes it appalling

[Taverner]

21. The GOP is waiting to see what comes of it, and the Dems are afraid to touch it...

Honestly, you or I or anyone could go out there and set this straight - but we aren't on TV for some strange reason...

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Not to mention comparing the dead in concentration camps to chickens at KFC.

It's pretty friggin' tired.

But, yes, this is an outrage, although anyone can see that the media is giving these nimrods way too much attention as it is.

Whereas the anti Iraq War marches, the pro-choice march in 2004 (with 1.2 million people, no less) were all virtually ignored by the media.

They desperately want to pump this narrative of a "grass roots uprising" against health care reform. :eyes:

[rucky]

8. They're just not being invited on the TV News.

Who does not want these images associated with their precious Teabagging movement.

[LuvNewcastle]

9. They're really pulling out all the stops,

aren't they? I wonder what percentage of Americans is stupid enough to take that ad seriously.

[Taverner]

10. Supporting Obama will make you STERILE and GAY!!!!!

I'm surprised they haven't tried this one yet

[LuvNewcastle]

20. It's "Brave New World" with a twist.

Be a good Delta, take your Soma, and be glad you aren't viviparous.

[Taverner]

22. And listen to Glenn Beck and vote Republican!

[LeftishBrit]

25. Have you seen the accusations that Obama was installed in the White House by a Jewish conspiracy,

somehow involving the Rothschild family?

The far right are disgusting - and frequently antisemitic.

[Taverner]

26. OMG that's so funny its sad...

Or so sad its funny...not sure which yet...

People are pulling out all the crazy...

[abluelady]

24. What About Eric Cantor

The minority whip is the only Jewish Republican in either house. He had nothing to say about the picture and nothing to say about the ugliness of the teabaggers. He is a total disgrace as a leader, a man and a Jew.

[spanone]

27. thanks!! david schuster just showed this picture...asking 'is there no decency '

thank you david

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. I am and I have told this to the racist idiots to their faces

now how bout you?

Oh and here is a little secret, some teabaggers would love to do that.

[babylonsister]

29. And the GOP, by their silence, support this. nt

[spanone]

30. boehner said he didn't 'see' any posters that were offensive at the rally

and tom (the fucking idiot) tancredo said maybe a democrat was holding the sign

[babylonsister]

34. Boner is a liar. He was there and this is hard to miss...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6935668&mesg_id=6935668

[AspenRose]

39. I called it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8734654


Predictable bastards

[Zen Democrat]

31. Eric Cantor called it inappropriate ... and also called out Limbaugh for Nazi comments.

Of course, he may be withdrawing the Limbaugh comments when Rush hears about this.

[spanone]

32. it's beyond inappropriate. it's fucking unacceptable.

[cali]

35. This should outrage any decent person, though how you know the Jewish Community

isn't "more outraged", is beyond me.

[spanone]

37. more than outraged.....

[imdjh]

36. Jews have a lot of practice at considering the source. nt

[Behind the Aegis]

45. That we do!

It also doesn't much matter what we do. If we voice our disgust, it isn't good enough or too much depending on who the "speaker" was. If we say nothing, we are complicit. If we challenge a democrat or liberal, we are "screeching anti-Semitism" or "playing into the Holocaust industry." If the speaker is republican or conservative, then nothing short of a riot is acceptable as condemnation. On this board, we are constantly reminded the Holocaust "doesn't belong to the Jews," but as soon as someone (read: Republican/conservative) invokes the Holocaust, we are expected to scream and yell, and pull our hair and if that isn't seen, then why aren't we (Jews) outraged enough.

Damned if we do, damned if don't...from BOTH sides of the political spectrum.

[blitzburgh55]

38. They are

Jewish Organizations Condemn GOP For Standing By As Tea Party Protesters Waved ‘Vile’ Anti-Semitic Signs

One of the most disturbing images from yesterday’s Tea Party rally against health care reform on Capitol Hill was a protester’s gruesome sign showing a pile of dead Holocaust victims. The banner — captured by ThinkProgress here — read: “National Socialist Health Care: Dachau, Germany – 1945.” Another sign said that “Obama takes his orders from the Rothchilds ,” a reference to the famous Jewish banking family often implicated in conspiracy theories. Today, Nobel Prize winner and Holoacaust survivor Elie Wiesel strongly condemned the signs, calling them “indecent and disgusting.” From his foundation’s Twitter page:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/06/elie-wiesel-tea-party/

[Ozymanithrax]

41. As a Jew, I can say that those I know are outraged at comparing healthcare

to the holocaust, even those Jews who oppose healthcare consider it abysmal.

[classysassy]

43. Those republican

are mean,stupid and without humanity.I am not Jewish and I resent that picture,no wonder there are3 so few Jews in the republican party.