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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:10 PM
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"She ran toward him, continuing to fire."
Officer Who Shot Suspect Is Firearms Expert
KILLEEN, Texas — The police officer who brought down a gunman after he went on a shooting rampage at the Fort Hood Army base was on the way to have her car repaired when she heard a report over a police radio that someone was shooting people in a center where soldiers are processed before they are deployed abroad, authorities said on Friday.

As she pulled up to the center, the officer, Kimberly Munley, spotted the gunman, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, brandishing a pistol and chasing a wounded soldier outside the building, said Chuck Medley, the director of emergency services at the base.

Sergeant Munley bolted from her car and shot at Major Hasan. He turned toward her and began to fire. She ran toward him, continuing to fire, and both she and the gunmen went down with several bullet wounds, Mr. Medley said.

Whether Sergeant Munley was solely responsible for taking down Major Hassan or whether he was also hit by gunfire from another responder is still unclear, but she was the first to fire at him.

Sergeant Munley, who is 34, is an expert in firearms and a member of the SWAT team for the civilian police department on the base, officials said.

She received two wounds in each thigh and one to her right wrist. The base’s fire chief applied torniquets to stop her bleeding, and she was taken to a hospital that the officials did not identify, where she was reported in stable condition on Tuesday

Sergeant Munley joined the police force on the sprawling base in January 2008 after a career in the Army. Mr. Medley described her as highly trained, and said she had received specific training in a tactic called active shooter protocol, which was intended for the kind of situation she encountered on Thursday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07police.html

And that is somebody who you want on your side! A heroine she is. :patriot:
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FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:12 PM
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1. Angels disguised as heroes. n/t
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:47 AM
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94. photo from NY Times, she's saved lives before, nickname "Mighty Mouse"


"Her partner in Wrightsville, Investigator Shaun Appler, recalled how Sergeant Munley saved him one night when she wrestled a large man off him after the man had pinned him down and was trying to take his gun. She earned the nickname Mighty Mouse for that, he said."

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lupinella Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:21 AM
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109. Bravery above and beyond
When I see things like this on criminal procedural shows on television, I tend to get annoyed by how unrealistic it is for people to act in such a manner. It is amazing to think that she was injured multiple times and still managed to take down the shooter while heading into the line of fire. Her training and instinct to serve and protect overwhelmed the (very human) instinct for self-preservation.
When I was a little kid I wanted to be Han Solo; now I want to be her.

:patriot:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:14 PM
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2. She belongs up there with Sully Sullenberger, as far as people
doing their jobs with the utmost skill and bravery.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:25 PM
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15. Well said.
... she ran *toward* him as he was shooting at her. Damn.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:43 PM
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71. +1
Bravo!!!
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:42 AM
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112. My first thought, too.
Hope her car got fixed OK.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 09:17 AM
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115. Agreed.
Smart and courageous. She should receive a medal.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:15 PM
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3. K&R
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:16 PM
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4. The right person at the right time, in exactly the right place!
Wow.

Definitely a heroine!

K&E

:patriot:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:14 PM
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32. Right time would have been about ten minutes earlier
But yes, you're otherwise correct.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:16 PM
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5. She still will be negatively affected and it is a tragedy for her also. Whenever you fire ,,,
your weapon to injure or kill another human being, it will affect you. There will be much to work through and we should give her time instead of forcing her out in public.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:19 PM
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6. Oy!
Who's forcing her out in public? The event is being reported. If she wants to be secluded on top of the Sears Tower then let her. She seems to be someone who would have no trouble letting someone know.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:17 PM
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35. she did her job. a job trained for. she saved lives. not a bad day of work. nt
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 06:19 PM
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138. Are you still riding this talking point?
Let it go.

Tragedy was averted, this women is a hero and she should be commended. Likely she will feel pride for the lives she saved.
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:19 PM
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7. A true hero
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:20 PM
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8. Hero
It takes a lot of guts to do what you see people on those TV shows doing. Took 3 shots in the process - wow. :patriot:
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:26 PM
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16. It sounds from the report as if she took five hits
Two wounds to each thigh and one to the wrist. That Sgt. is one tough officer!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:22 PM
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46. Wow
Even more impressive :wow:
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:51 PM
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73. from other reports, I think this one was written clumsily
Not sure, but I think she received one wound per thigh.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:20 PM
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9. Talk about being the right person at the right place at the right time! nt
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:21 PM
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10. You OK?????
:hug:
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:23 PM
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12. Yeah.
I posted in the lounge where my thread was moved.
I have a grade 3 shoulder separation, but I've done that before. My brother is coming tonight. Thanks for the thoughts.
:hi:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:27 PM
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18. Good, some day I'll tell you about smacking your head too hard
<------------ too many hockey pucks to the face
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:30 PM
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21. You upon getting up, the ultimate meh........
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:32 PM
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22. LOL! Now that's a meh! nt
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:19 PM
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141. Good to hear
:grouphug:
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:22 PM
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11. She saved at least one life for sure and probably more.



The gunman would have caught up with that wounded soldier and certainly would have finished him off if Sgt Munley had not intervened and opened fire. She's obviously damn good at what she does if she hit him four times, no telling how many times she was hit in the meantime. The death toll would have been a lot higher without Sgt Munley's part in the whole event.


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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:52 PM
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55. Absolutely. He was gonna run around and kill until he was shot down.
We'll hear in the next few days how many bullets he had left on his person when he was stopped. That'll give you a ball park of how many lives she saved.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:23 PM
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13. I wonder how many lives she may have saved by her actions
Here's to you, Sgt. Munley!

:patriot:
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:24 PM
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14. Courage on a level most could never muster.
A remarkable and brave officer. She is to be commended. :patriot:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:27 PM
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17. All the chairborne rangers should take heed -
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 04:29 PM by cliffordu
How many soldiers was she prepared to die for? How many did she save???

I love this woman completely.

I hope she gets over the shooting completely, both physically and emotionally.

She deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:04 PM
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28. Well said. nt
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:15 PM
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33. Well put. nt
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:17 PM
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34. "She deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom."
It sure looks that way. Cool, calm, precise, and deadly under fire. :thumbsup:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:59 AM
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101. oops
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 03:59 AM by Skittles
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:46 PM
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52. She certainly deserves some sort of high honor
and I hope she does get awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I, too, hope that she can recover both physically and emotionally from this experience and quickly. A very brave woman of exceptional character.


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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 09:04 PM
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76. Yep, world class.
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dothemath Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:26 PM
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85. Medals
Cops have a fraternity of their own when it comes to recognizing actions by police officers "above and beyond the call of duty" and I have no doubt she will be so honored.

After seeing who received Presidential Medals of Freedom handed out by George W Bush et al, the honor bestowed by her brothers and sisters in the law enforcement community will outrank anything the president or congress comes up with. Bear Bryant, Roberto Clemente, Jack Kemp ?????????????
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:27 AM
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90. Running INTO gunfire is more than police work.

That's the work of the bravest soldiers. Considering how many people she probably saved, and on a military base, she deserves whatever is the civilian equivalent of the Silver Star.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:28 AM
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91. It IS the highest award a civilian can achieve here in the 'Murka.....
Shame that it's been polluted by so many asses, but there ya go....


If it were possible I'd make her the head of the fucking FBI.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:30 AM
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97. I admit I am in awe of her
and others like her who have heroically put themselves in harms way to save others. I don't think any amount of training does that. It's something special and rare to be able to ignore natural fear and the instinct of self-preservation to have the cast iron courage to do something like this. I know I'm not made of that sort of stuff and wouldn't have it no matter how much training I had.

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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:27 PM
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148. she's not a civilian
therefore she isn't eligible, right now, for the Presidential Medal of Freedom. she is, or should be, eligible for the much more rare Medal of Honor.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:47 PM
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150. She is a civilian LEO. Not military.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:42 PM
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151. Yes, she is. (n/t)
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:34 AM
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110. Hear! Hear! This woman put-paid to a lot of questions (nt)
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:28 PM
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19. K&R
:patriot:
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:28 PM
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20. I hope she makes a full recovery
I'm so glad she survived. She was doing what she was trained to do, but that doesn't detract from it being brave.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:39 PM
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23. Definitely a person worthy of respect.
Here's to you, Sgt. Munley.:patriot:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:43 PM
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24. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Are_grits_groceries.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:46 PM
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25. I wish her a speedy recovery! It is sad
that someone not in the immediate vicinity was the one who was able to take him down. Where were the on-duty people when this went down? How many lives were lost in the interim?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:56 PM
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43. The soldiers at the processing center likely weren't armed, unless they were MP's.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:15 AM
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96. Precisely. Soldiers aren't allowed to be armed except for if their duties require it.
Typically the only people armed would be the MPs, military police, and the Post Police, which are civilians (since the military isn't allowed to do civilian law enforcement on US soil). Other than that, armed persons are not allowed on military bases or any other DOD facility, for fairly obvious security reasons. In that way it would be a considerably more restricted zone than the general population, where roughly 4 out of every 100 people has a concealed carry permit. As it happens, it was an off-duty Post Police officer who was the first one to engage Hasan.

It's silly for people to think of a military base as thousands of soldiers all geared up for combat and waiting for hostiles. That might be true over in the Green Zone, but not here in the US.
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:44 PM
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136. And the myth that all soldiers are "highly trained" in using their weapons
is just that: a myth. I was a nurse in a medical unit. I couldn't hit the side of a barn if I was inside it with my weapon on automatic. I'd have been iced at that processing center even if I'd been armed, assuming I hadn't run for the hills. This gal is Wonder Woman. Her family must be so proud of her. She not only needs to get the Medal of Honor, she needs to get canonized. I need to convince her to donate some of her ovaries and get Sully to donate some of his sperm. I might have a good breeding farm of super-SWAT babies to market. (OK, just a sick joke, people!) I've got the biggest girl crush ever.
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CraftyGal Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:50 PM
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26. Wow!
It is a true hero who runs into the face of danger instead of away. First responders are the ones who do that on a daily basis and no one thinks twice about. i say raise a glas and a salute to all first responders. :toast: :patriot: Sergeant Munley, may you recover both physically and emotionally from the shooting. I know a grateful nation or two are thankful for your courage and tenacity.

CraftyGal
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:03 PM
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27. So how's the head?
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:05 PM
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29. It's okay.
I posted in the lounge where my thread went. My brother is coming tonight and a cousin tomorrow just in case. Thanks a lot for the thoughts.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:07 PM
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30. Get well soon, Sergeant Munley!
Thanks, and I hope you get the promotion that you deserve.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:12 PM
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31. She did not Duck and Cover...She had the Courage of a Lioness defending her Pride (GOL)
Should be promoted to the Training Center ..Ch Officer in Charge of COURAGE and GUTS
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:19 PM
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36. yea her. impressive. k and r
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:23 PM
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37. Active shooting protocol... .
not an easy thing to do and indeed requires guts and training.

Good for her!

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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:31 PM
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40. Active shooting protocol
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 05:32 PM by Are_grits_groceries
was one of the lessons that came from Columbine. When the SWAT teams held back, they possibly allowed some people to die. The coach bled out in the time while nobody came.

They train officers now to go towards the shooter. If there are several officers, they are trained to go in with groups of 4 in a diamond position. That is one variation.

They have learned that lives will be saved by stopping the shooting immediately instead of setting up a perimeter and waiting. That may seem like common sense, but before Columbine it wasn't protocol. Shooters like the ones at Columbine and Fort Hood act in a completely different manner.

To head towards someone who you can see shooting and then turn to shoot at you is incredibly brave. People always think they will respond correctly in such situations, but I don't think anyubody ever knows until they are in the middle of one.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:54 PM
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41. The military trained in it well before Columbine
and yes it was one of the lessons.

As to how people will react... I know that part of it is good training. Train as you fight, fight as you train. And she IS a SWAT officer, which means, she trains regularly to do this.

It takes guts. And the Diamond formation... I could go into the tactics behind that... but it is also useful in other tactical situations.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:02 PM
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44. I guess the police decided to use a military protocol.
I'm surprised that they never had looked into that before Columbine. I remember watching the police walk around the building that day and never try to go in. I didn't understand that at all. I guess they had never had training for it, and didn't want to make a bad situation worse.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:07 PM
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45. It depends on the department
Columbine they were not.

My local department they were.

They were also trained to use active hot searches well before Columbine and people in the police shook their heads in disbelief that Columbine did not know what to do.

What is interesting is that today the same folks who scream we cannot trust the cops, they are militarized, are right now silent.

Hell some departments also use trained medics in dynamic entries, while others still do not.
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:50 AM
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117. nadinbrzezinski
"What is interesting is that today the same folks who scream we cannot trust the cops, they are militarized, are right now silent."

Comparing this woman, who is a heroine, with crooked brutal cops is ridiculous.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 10:28 PM
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83. I have to say that I can hardly wait to hear the actual description of what went down
because I do not understand the running toward the shooter--what you call "active shooting protocol".

Unless the target was out of range why would one run toward the target and fire on the run, versus firing from a stable stationary position. Seems to me the accuracy factor would decrease dramatically as one shoots on the run.

Certainly this is one brave woman. Bless her for risking her life to take down the killer.



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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:40 AM
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104. They do it so that the shooter will focus toward's them
Of course, it puts them in much more danger but it possibly saves civilian lives. It is truly heroic.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:17 AM
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116. Interesting tactical move. But wouldn't it be better to place two or three shots on target
rather than have the shooter turn toward them. Shots that strike the shooter are going to save lives also.

I'm not questioning your reply, just stating that it seems of dubious tactical value at first analysis. Of course, I've never been in one of those situations so I don't know what works best.

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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:55 PM
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154. The assumption is that the responder(s) will not start out within range of the bad guy.
They have to run toward the shooter to go shoot him. It's not about firing on the run, it's about getting close enough to shoot effectively.

Prior to Columbine, the standard protocol was to cordon off the area, not let anyone in or out, and wait for SWAT (however long they took to get there). That policy cost several lives at Columbine; it was finally recognized that giving the murderers a secured zone to kill everyone they wanted until they either got tired of killing, ran out of ammunition, or ran out of victims was a REALLY stupid idea. So now the protocol is to run toward the sound of the shooting and engage the bad guy with countervailing force as soon as possible.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:26 PM
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38. How incredibly brave!
I hope she has a full and speedy recovery.

Is it usual to have a civilian police department in charge of security on an army base?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:28 PM
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39. Is it usual to have a civilian police department ... i am surprised too. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:56 PM
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42. Since 2002 or so, we have had more and more civilian
police officers as many MPS deploy but you still NEED to maintain a secured perimeter.

They are technically civilian employees of DOD.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:38 PM
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49. Apparently, yes
From what I understand all military bases have a combination of MPs and civilian security. I think it makes sense seeing as there is a combination of military and civilians on military bases. I don't know which department would be in charge or if each department is in charge of certain areas or circumstances and I would imagine they work together in some sort of coordinated fashion.

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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:27 PM
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47. a picture of Kimberly....
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:27 PM
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67. What bravery looks like!
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:36 PM
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48. SERGEANT MUNLEY FUCK YEAH
:patriot:

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:43 PM
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50. k&r
:patriot:
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:45 PM
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51. I hope she reaps benefits from this that she would never expect.
...and I mean $$$$$

She deserves it.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:50 PM
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54. I'm sure Lifetime Network and HBO have already started the bidding war.
I'm hoping Lifetime buys the rights, if only because they'll have an awesomer title for their made-for-tv movie.

Something like "Winged by a Nut: the Kimberly Munley Story."
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:29 PM
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68. And a book. There's gotta be a book!
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:49 PM
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53. get well soon, Sargent Munley
:patriot:
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:53 PM
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56. There's an error in this article
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 06:55 PM by senseandsensibility
"...she was reported in stable condition on Tuesday." No Tuesday has passed since this incident. Did they mean Thursday or today, Friday? Anyway, more importantly, she is a true hero.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:53 PM
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57. Posted twice by mistake
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 06:55 PM by senseandsensibility
eom
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:58 PM
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58. She is brave brave brave. I don't know her, but I am proud of her
and the courage she showed.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:58 PM
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59. Now that was gutsy!
Good for her. No telling how much additional death and mayhem was prevented by her courageous act. Excellent training combined with heart when the chips were down. Wow.

Best wishes to her in her recovery.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:08 PM
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60. What would our world be like without heroes like this
She deserves the highest accolades; Someone I would be proud to call my friend. Good on this gutsy lady. May she live long and prosper.
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Spoonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:27 PM
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61. A woman with some BALLS!
Two thumbs up!
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:52 AM
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118. Spoonman
Excuse me? She's brave, so she has male characteristics?

Oh, you're so good at your job, little lady, why almost as good as a man.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:40 PM
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129. It's OVARIES
I knew some man would show up needing to praise balls......


what an insult to an amazing woman, a sergeant, a professional, a hero.

:patriot:
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:39 PM
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62. Sergent Kimberly Munley is a BIG DAMN HEROINE!!!!
God bless her and hopes for a speedy recovery...

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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:34 AM
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98. BIG DAMN HEROINE indeed.
The crew would approve.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:53 PM
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63. She saved a LOT of lives
There was no doubt the shooter was on a mission to kill as many people as possible before being taken down.

THIS is true heroism, even more than most "battlefield heroism". She was fighting to protect innocent non-combatant bystanders.
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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:10 PM
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64. Holy crap.
I want her on my next Team Fortress 2 team!
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:15 PM
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65. K&R, Brave woman.
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 08:17 PM by caseymoz
Running into fire like that.

She deserves a Congressional Medal of Honor. Without her, this would have been much worse.

:patriot:
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:23 PM
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66. She and Sully need to get together for a beer someday.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:44 PM
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72. Now that's some beers I'd love to pay for!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:32 PM
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69. Makes me wish I owned an auto shop just so I could offer to fix her car for free
This woman kicks ass! :applause:

I hope she gets all the praise and recognition she deserves and may her wounds heal quickly.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:37 PM
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70. Remarkable
COURAGE
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:54 PM
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74. And that's how it's done
Whew! :patriot:
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 09:01 PM
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75. She is a beautiful human being.
:patriot:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 09:10 PM
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77. knr!~
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 09:25 PM
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78. Will all of her medical expenses be taken care of?
I ask because she was a civilian cop and the ones in my neck of the woods get lousy health insurance coverage. Is there some way to check? There's no way this heroine should have to pay even a nickel for her hospital and doctor bills. Though I understand her husband is military and she would be fully covered under his policy?
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 09:57 PM
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82. She'll be covered...
:hi:
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 09:32 PM
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79. She is a hero
and thankfully, one that survived the experience.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 09:43 PM
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80. Unbelieveable courage - incredible selflessness.
This story brings tears to my eyes. May she recover fully and find peace.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 09:55 PM
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81. What a wonderful selfess act on her part...
her dedication, training and determination paid off. For all of the police I see hiding/standing around, this woman takes the man down in her courageous act.

First class Sgt Munley, job well done...heal quickly...:patriot:
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 10:31 PM
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84. Wow! Fucking Wow!
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:03 AM
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86. I see the fill in for Rush did not call this a tragedy.
Do'h. There's political correctness I disagree with but this was not one of them.

But I guess I could pull this Mab thing on Rush. If you ever watched Merlin with Sam Neill in it, just ignore him and he'll fade away. But it's tougher than shit to do.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:03 AM
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87. Totally. Bad. ASS.

:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:

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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:06 AM
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88. Certainly a heroine...also unable to testify. NOT?
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 12:08 AM by NoSheep
edited to say I heard this woman had been killed. Truth..better than fiction!
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:20 AM
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89. No other word but 'hero' can be used to describe Sgt. Munley.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:33 AM
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92. Two bullets in each thigh? Yikes.
Femoral arteries...(shudder)
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:46 AM
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93. The right person at the right place at the right time...and with a gun.
Good job Sergeant Munley!
Take note America..it was the right person with a gun that put a stop to the murder spree.
Keep your guns America..looks like we might be in for more of this kind of stuff as people snap from all the mess and stress going on.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:47 AM
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113. I think the lesson here is that Munley was highly trained and a professional law enforcement
officer who had been duly licensed to use guns. Your post implies that anyone could have done this. Just the opposite is true. I do not quarrel with the statement that she was incredibly brave, she was. But her training and her prior experience in crisis situations had prepared her to act effectively.

If I have misread your post, however, I apologize...
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:36 AM
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144. I believe there are brave people that are not trained that can also do the right thing...
and save lives just as well.
No, not everyone can do it..but many people have been raised and trained in proper gun use that are private citizens and could have done it if in the same situation.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 02:12 PM
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149. Proper gun use, maybe, but Munley was specifically trained in how to confront a shooter and she
had had experience in this type of situation.

But I also think that guns in the hands of private citizens are more often misused than actually used in one of these situations (in a public place, not a home break in situation). Not disagreeing that there is such a thing as "proper gun use" just the reality of having guns around...
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:04 AM
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95. Raises interesting questions about the combat prohibition for women
time to reconsider that sexist policy.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:36 AM
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99. That's what I was thinking
Between Sgt. Munley and the Army woman who pulled wounded out of the line of fire and gave them first aid even after being shot herself, I think we've just seen today how ludicrous the "women can't serve in combat" tripe really is.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:41 AM
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111. Hell, I think the questions have been answered (nt)
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:55 AM
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120. women are already in combat
Interesting article in the NYTimes a week or so ago about how battlefield commanders are ignoring the no women in combat rules.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:54 AM
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100. A True American Heroine!
Bless and keep her!

:patriot:

I hope her recovery is swift.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:00 AM
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102. so let's stop saying BALLS are required for courage
gawd I DETEST that expression and am particularly dismayed to see it used on DU
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:42 AM
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105. AMEN AND AMEN!
Damn, but I HATE that expression along with it's matching expression "pussy" to indicate weakness and lack of courage. I have never understood why such OBVIOUS misogynist expressions are allowed here.

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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:56 AM
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121. I use "wussy". I think it is less offensive.
And means the same thing.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:12 AM
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146. How is it less offensive?
As you said, it means the same thing... referring to women as weak and lacking courage by using a word equating to the female gender. Using the made up word "wussy" is cowardly, not less offensive... like nobody is going to notice what you're really saying is "pussy" but you're too much of a coward to actually come right out and say it? Using the word "wussy" is even more offensive because it assumes people are to stupid to know that you really mean "pussy" but are too much of a coward to say it. How well does it work to call someone a coward by using a made up word because you're too cowardly yourself to use the one you really mean? If you want to call someone a coward why not use the word... oh let me think... hmmm... how about "coward"?



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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 03:51 AM
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155. Jeez
OK, whatever. I'm a coward.

How about "wuss"? I use that even more.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:05 AM
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106. Or "pussy" to mean the opposite......THAT should be retired.
I hate that expression too.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:55 AM
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119. Shouldn't the equivalent of "ball" = "ovaries"? Both are fine with me. nt
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 10:55 AM by ClarkUSA
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 06:04 PM
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137. I really wish
that none of these sexual terms were used.:eyes: Courage has nothing to do with sex or gender.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:49 PM
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139. True, but it is a primal expression of self which is very human. Reality rules the day here. nt
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:17 PM
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140. Probably more a "primal expression" of Patriarchy....
and it has squat to do with "reality" because in reality, sex and gender have nothing to do with courage.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:38 PM
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142. Reality informs common forms of colloquial expression that spans cultures.
Railing against "Patriarchy" doesn't change the fact or the reality that humans very much self-identify with their sexuality,
which is really based in the drive to procreate. While I agree with you in theory, I am realistic enough to acknowledge
known socio-anthropological reality. Perhaps in generations to come, such sayings will be generally avoided by most
of humanity. Indeed, there are few acquaintances of mine who use them at all, except in jest.


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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:01 AM
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103. Reccommended for a real heroine.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:32 AM
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107. But..but...but... I thought police are evil, narcissistic, power-hungry tyrants?
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:56 AM
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108. Courage in action and more than deserving of praise.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 09:11 AM
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114. Wow.
Unimaginable bravery. Officer Munley is a true hero.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:59 AM
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122. I think we would be better off if all police were women
I have always thought that.

Don
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 11:15 AM
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123. I hope there's no permanent damage.
If she can't use her wrist properly, she may be gently pushed into a desk job.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:51 PM
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125. She's a Sergeant
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 01:27 PM by lpbk2713



If she gets bumped upstairs to say a Captain position or even higher she would assume a desk job anyway.
My own opinion, on the merits of her outstanding performance, she would be a natural to command a police
training academy, perhaps for the local or state police or at a local college or vocational school. She would
be an exemplary role model for any students who trained under her.




Ed: Corrected spelling error. :blush:


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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:11 PM
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126. Wish there was film of her running forward.
Is that standard procedure?
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Ferret Annica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:06 PM
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128. Using Active Shooter Protocol
First responders aim at stopping the shooting first. They will ignore even a mortally wounded child or other person and head to stop the rampage. They are supposed to assume a diamond formation in approaching the gun welder using flanking and direct confrontation to neutralize the person or persons.

If there is one officer, the protocol still calls for them to assault in the direction of the shooting. This is the immediate response too in a military ambush which calls for those ambushed and in a 'kill zone' to assault in the direction of the ambush.

She is brave, smart and already had saved a partner wrestling a larger man off of him who was trying to grab is weapon; earning her the appellation "Mighty Mouse." I salute her and there is only one word that fits her to a 'T'; heroine.
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Lovecraft71 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 11:36 AM
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124. It was a race to see who could get the first headshot...
I wonder if she was screaming as she ran towards him unloading her weapon! I would have!
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:13 PM
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127. You would be running the other way.
You posted here why?
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:13 PM
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133. Kindly Stay The Fuck Out Of My Neighborhood...... (n/t)
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:46 PM
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130. Awe Inspiring!
amazing woman! Gets me kind of teary eyed! Greatness in action kind of does that to me....

:patriot: :loveya:
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:52 PM
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131. A remarkable, brave woman. nt
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:58 PM
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132. That is one badass mofo! Visualize that if you can...
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 03:01 PM by Taverner
Running, holding a weapon steady (not always easy to do when its a handgun, not a rifle) and being shot at AND taking some lead, but taking him down - - Alive!


Woot for the GenX Comrade!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:23 PM
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134. Another example of why I'm sick of hearing "congress needs to grow a pair"
The gutsy among us are more often than not women. Sybil Edmonds, Iran protesters, Rachael Corie, the young woman standing in front of Israeli soldiers guns to protect Palestinian youths, and on and on. "Balls" are no indication of courage. Maybe we should simply say spine, heart, or courage.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:46 PM
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153. I agree (and I'm a guy). (n/t)
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:45 PM
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135. Bravo,Sister!
:patriot:
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:48 PM
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143. Three words: medal of honor.
I believe the only woman who recieved the MOH is Dr Mary Walker. Mighty Mouse should join her. This meets every criteria.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:47 AM
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145. Yes, and any other medal(s) she might be eligible for.

She also ought to get a parade when she's healed.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:43 PM
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152. Isn't the Medal of Honor limited to military personnel? She is a civilian LEO. (n/t)
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:02 AM
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156. Correct on both. nt
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:15 AM
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147. And to think, women used to be
bound to a desk and a typewriter in the military "back in the day.' It's the reason I didn't join in the early 1970's.
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