Bush and Cheney fucked up the army

[malaise]

It's overstretched. Military people cannot handle all these ridiculous deployments.

Stop the fucking wars Obama in the name of peace. Bring the troops home.

[tridim]

1. All this talk about "resilience training" is pretty scary

From what I've read PTSD has nothing to do with resilience, or bravery, or anything else besides seeing and doing things that the human brain can't process.

[timeforpeace]

2. How did it take almost 24 hours for the "Bush and Cheney's Fault" meme to appear?

[peace13]

11. Up until this time it had gone without saying. n/t

[Fire1]

19. It's no less true. n/t

[HowHasItComeToThis]

20. DESTRUCTION TO ALL THEY TOUCHED

THEY ARE A CANCER

[old mark]

3. They fucked up the whold world - why should the military

be different?

Why aren't they in prison?

mark

[malaise]

4. Excellent point

:hi:

[Soylent Brice]

18. +1

[old mark]

23. I didn't mean to joke about this - there have been unbelievable strains on

military people and their families, and the horrible wounds suffered in these wars are devastating to families,friends and comrades of the injured.

Bush put these good people in harm's way for no reason, and he and the Republicans abandoned them after they were greviously injured in combat.

Republicans are a disgrace, Bush/Cheney are criminals.

I cannot abide "bipartisanship" with these scum.

mark

[spanone]

5. k&r

[rudy23]

6. Of course they did, the army's socialist. They want people to join Blackwater over the public army.

Why wouldn't they try to wreck the army?

[dysfunctional press]

7. not true at all...

if people didn't join the regular army first, blackwater would be responsible for all their training.

[rudy23]

15. Good point. nt

[malaise]

10. Good point

Privatize everything and keep the profits for the boys.

[jtrockville]

8. I hold Rumsfeld responsible too.

[peace13]

13. It was Rummy who said the the troops were 'fungible'.

Read...they didn't give a *hit about the troops.

[jtrockville]

21. He also said we were making uparmored humvees as fast as we could

but was contradicted the next day when a spokesman for AM General said they could easily make more but haven't been asked.

"Support the troops" my @ss.

[peace13]

22. Sweet memory of a troop standing up to the goat and asking why they had to pick through the trash

to upgrade their hummers. When I think back at all of the *hit those people pulled I really wonder how it went on so long! Our troops are still suffering from the abuse!

[malaise]

14. Oh yes

He should also be in prison

[C_Lawyer09]

27. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle etc.

Project for the New American Century and the neo-cons were the catalysts for the Iraq adventure. In reality Bush reluctantly climbed on board in the beginning. I'm not excusing him of fault for his role in the unfolding debacle. I do however believe it's time to attempt to fix the cause and not the symptom. Belly aching about Bush-Cheney ignores the foundation of the problem which is corporate take over of govt. and this was not accomplished solely during the Bush Cheney admin. It's also time to focus a critical eye on govt. as a whole, and not be so partisan. e.g. where was the outrage when we stood by and let the Darfur genocide unfold? Hence, I say yes to those against imperial overstretch of both parties, though the Republican equivalent of D. Kucinich, at this point is mainly Ron Paul.

[AspenRose]

9. They've let gang members in the military too

The military used to have standards for who they put into uniform....but as the wars dragged on, they took just about anyone willing to go, personal character be damned.

Gang members with military firearms training....it's a disaster.

[malaise]

12. Well you know the saying

You reap what you sow. I can't imagine what's coming from the gang members when they return from Iraq and Afghanistan.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. I can imagine.

Juarez.

[GA_ArmyVet]

25. Oh we have a gang members for along time

I remember being briefed on Militias and Gangs sending people to enlist for training in weapons and explosives so they coulod have a trainer when they got back on the block with...and this was in the late 80's and 90's.

[C_Lawyer09]

29. Exactly Army Vet

The military is a microcosm of society, and as such will be represented by the same elements in society, regardless of the efforts to keep the undesirables out.

[C_Lawyer09]

28. Are you a recruiter or former recruiter?

The military does everything in it's power to ensure gang members or members of other hate groups don't join the service. The phenomenon of which you speak has been a problem long before the advent of Iraq or Afghanistan. If you ever prepared an enlistment packet on an individual you'd understand.

[Fire1]

17. Ditto that. n/t

[lonestarnot]

24. Just the Army?

[TexasObserver]

26. Recommend. So true.