Can anybody tell me the religious affiliation of the accused Orlando shooter? Why hasn't that

[sinkingfeeling]

information been a part of every early report when it was so important that everyone immediately know the accused Ft. Hood shooter was Muslim yesterday?

Can we possibly understand what someone not a part of the 'majority' goes through? I just read about the Major's car being vandalized to the the tune of $1000 because it bore a bumper sticker in Arabic! We treat 'others' like dirt and are surprised when they strike back.

[AndyA]

1. Why, he's a Muslin of course. That goes without saying.

And he's an illegal alien, too. Last name's Rodriguez. Lou Dobbs was right all along. :eyes:

:sarcasm:

[timeforpeace]

22. Just because the Ft Hood lunatic made a point of his religion in his attack, does not mean anything.

[sinkingfeeling]

31. Any proof of that this was a religious attack?

[seabeyond]

2. ctholic. last name rodriquez, so mean catholic. right? hey all, love catholics

not being racist or religiousist.... but that should be how the path goes.

[eShirl]

5. Will one of the talking heads say he's "of Catholic descent?"

[malaise]

26. I hope so

It's only fair.

[Kalyke]

54. LMAO.

I haven't watched any of the coverage, but did a "news" anchor actually say that the psychiatrist was of Muslim-descent?

:rofl:

I didn't know one could descend from religiosity; therefore, I'd be of Native American Spirtualist, Catholic, Southern-Baptist descent.

:rofl:

[DearAbby]

3. one of those scratch your head moments......n/t

[peace13]

4. He's Hispanic, my guess Catholic!

Just kidding. But we might want to call the Pope just in case. Yesterday's reporting at Fort Hood was surreal. We are our own worst enemy! And please folks don't forget to 'be afraid'!

[Barack_America]

10. I'm going with former Catholic, Muslim convert.

That would explain why he's so violent!

:sarcasm:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

14. Although many Latinos have become Pentecostal

:shrug:

[peace13]

17. Pentecostal Catholic it is! : ) n/t

[imdjh]

39. Yeah, what the hell is up with that? Who the hell ever heard of Baptist latinos?

[amandabeech]

44. I don't know about Baptist, but you'll see "Iglesios del Dios" in many Hispanic neighborhoods.

"Iglesios del Dios" are Protestant churches serving mostly people with Latin American heritages. Many are store-front style churches and don't advertise a formal denomination.

[imdjh]

45. Yeah, those are the churches I was talking about

[Lydia Leftcoast]

51. Or, as I saw in Oregon, "Iglesia Bautista"--Baptist church

:shrug:

[krabigirl]

6. Seriously.

[TwilightGardener]

7. Probably because it wasn't a factor--that we know of yet, anyway.

In the Hasan case, it's shaping up to be a factor.

[Barack_America]

11. Proof, please.

[TwilightGardener]

15. Of what?

[Barack_America]

19. "In the Hasan case, it's shaping up to be a factor."

[TwilightGardener]

27. Oh, wait, you're the guy who doesn't think that "Allah Akbar" means

anything significant when gunning down large numbers of people (if in fact that was even uttered). Read the threads and reports coming out about this man's past, his wanting to leave the military after 9/11, his history of workplace harassment, his alleged statements from coworkers and blogs. It's not proof, but it indicates that religion may have played some role in this incident.

[Barack_America]

49. Yes, I am the woman who doesn't think the possible reports that he possibly said...

..."Allahu Akbar" inherently means he killed in the name of Islam.

[TwilightGardener]

53. Oops, woman, sorry--I don't always check profiles.

[whopis01]

46. There are multiple claims that the Fort Hood shooter shouted "Allahu Akbar" as he began shooting.

Of course these are not proven (or dis-proven) claims at this point.

However, that is really beside the point. The fact is that we have one of two scenarios.

Either (1):
The Fort Hood shooter made a religious reference while (or at least immediately prior to) committing the act.

or (2):
People have falsely claimed that the shooter made a religious reference.

Either way, religion is clearly shaping up to be a factor in the events at Fort Hood. It may be that the shooter was basing his actions on religious motivation or it may be that others are taking an opportunity to try to frame him as being religiously motivated. Or it could be that he had been bullied by others due to his religion, eventually pushing him to this point. In any case, religion plays a part.

In the Orlando shootings, there has been no claim of religious motivation, so the media has not been talking about his religion. I am certain that if he had run in there shouting (or people had claimed that he ran in there shouting) "God hates fags" or "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord" or some other phrase used by Christian fanatics, they would be talking about his religious affiliation in the media.

[stray cat]

8. You do treat others like dirt and deserve to be killed. Is that better?

[AspenRose]

18. I didn't see that in the OP

I saw that people who are treated like dirt sometimes retaliate. And we shouldn't be shocked by that when it happens. Didn't see any approval (e.g. "deserved") provided for that kind of behavior, though. Just a plausable explanation as to why it happens, not whether it is good or not.

Columbine certainly falls under that, along with many other school shootings.

[sinkingfeeling]

23. What's your problem? Do you think some groups are superior to others?

[gaspee]

24. Reading comprehension

FWI - I think you might need to take a remedial reading comprehension class to learn not to project what's in your head onto what you read.

[Echo In Light]

9. K&R

[paulsby]

12. for pete's sake

the hood shooter apparently screamed "allahu akbar" before opening fire.

that makes his religion VERY relevant.

people who HAPPEN to be christian, jewish, atheist, muslim, etc can commit crimes that have nothing to do with their religion.

in fact, most homicides (by a serious margin) have little to nothing to do with one's religion

when one yells "god is great" in any language before mowing people down, that tends to make the religion an important factor.

[atreides1]

16. That hasn't been confirmed yet

There are reports that he said the "he wasn't going", or words to that effect, also.

[paulsby]

20. correct

i didn't say it was proved beyond reasonable doubt.

i said there were reports.

if there were reports the guy was a fundamentalist and had screamed "do it for jesus" before mowing down an a doctor who provides abortions, you would not be saying "it hasn't been confirmed yet"

lots of stuff hasn't been "confirmed"

but we look at totality of circumstances we know THUS FAR, and anybody who pretends that religion isn't relevant is silly

fwiw, before we knew anything about the shooter, i saw numerous posts speculating he was probably a teabagger. it's ironic that certain forms of bald speculation are ok, and certain forms of evidence based discussion aren't

[blondeatlast]

13. A point that needs to bne made--very unfortunately. K/R nt

[mrbarber]

21. So because someone vandalized his car....

He get's a free pass for the massacre? Got you.

Also, the shooting in Orlando was perpetrated by an ex-employee. His motives were known.

[sinkingfeeling]

29. I didn't give anybody a pass. I asked why we treated the two accused shooters differently? Haven't

you ever noticed that if a suspect is not a white person, the news reports always include race as an adjective? We seem to do the same if the suspect is not a 'christian': their religion must be published. Seems like you're implying it's OK to shoot up your former employer's place if you got laid off, but not OK to shoot up a military base after years of being harassed.

[imdjh]

34. The very reason I have no bumper stickers

The courage of your convictions is wearing an offensive t-shirt. Leaving a poor defenseless automobile with some stupid shit plastered on the bumper is a crime against technology.

[malaise]

25. He's of Christian descent

Tell Lester Holt.

[imdjh]

28. Now you're looking for excuses?

[laconicsax]

30. All reporting follows simple guidelines on this sort of thing:

Is the suspect white? If yes, don't mention it.
Is the suspect mainstream Protestant or Catholic? If yes, don't mention it.

[sinkingfeeling]

32. We have a winner.

[Soylent Brice]

33. ^^^

[Soylent Brice]

35. K&R

[imdjh]

37. Maybe in some former generation. Now they don't even show pictures of criminals...

.... because people complain that there are too many (choose minority group) on the evening news in mugshots.

Have you seen a description of the girl in the Richmond rape case yet?

[Blue-Jay]

36. Obviously, he worships the Babylonian god Marduk.

duh.

[laconicsax]

40. Or the metal band Marduk.

I seem to recall that metal makes people go out and kill.

[Fire1]

38. Even though he was born here and a naturalized citizen I don't

understand why he's even HERE! Guess he THOUGHT he was in the club and I don't mean financially.:shrug:

[sinkingfeeling]

41. You're kidding, right?

[Fire1]

42. why would I be 'kidding?' n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

50. You said that you didn't understand why 'he' (Major Hasan) is here. Are you implying that only

a certain group has the right to be in the country?

[Fire1]

56. Oh hell no! My question is why he would WANT to be here. n/t

[d_r]

43. there was a rush to judgment

When I first heard about this I typed "Gateway Center Orlando" in a search engine, and several of the links that were clearly wondering if this was a "Muslim" - when I read your post I went back to look at them, and most had been taken down, so I did another google search to post some of the results I saw earlier-


http://www.google.com/search?q=gateway+center+orlando+shooter+muslim&btnG=Search&hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&sa=2

MUSLIM Shooter in Orlando!!!!!!!!!!! "Lock-Down" at Gateway Center!
16 posts - 1 author - Last post: 2 hours ago
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[juno jones]

55. Dark hair, dark skin.

Maybe mediterranean looking?

They all look alike, you know.

edit: :sarcasm:

[newtothegame]

47. Guns are bad.

Guns are bad. Guns should be outlawed. If we had more restrictions on guns, this kind of thing wouldn’t happen because no one would have guns at all. No one should have guns because if you do you’re only part of the problem. Just imagine how much worse this would have been today or yesterday if someone besides the shooter had a gun. So much worse.

[Zoeisright]

48. Yep, it's like many white people in this country never got past

the third grade. They taunt and ridicule, then are surprised when their victims strike back.

[Igel]

52. Sometimes religion is relevant.

Or race. Or ethnicity. Or SES.

Sometimes it's not.

Sometimes it might be.

If it is or might be, it shows up in the news reports. The hypothetical black kid beaten up by white kids--hey, it might be race related. It's a sensitive issue, so it gets explored. Moreover, even after race has been excluded there are still people convinced it's a coverup. Pick any two races, religions, ethnicities, or SESs that don't enjoy good relations and the same is true.

People look for patterns. It's what we do. We're damned good at it. So good, in fact, that we see patterns in random events. It's a lot safer to think you see a lion in the grass when there is no lion than overlook a lion in the grass because, well, it might *not* be a lion. Consider it to provide an evolutionary advantage. The same works in groups: We're primates, we're tribal. We look for distinctions (where the distinctions are somehow socially relevant, not always race or religion) and if we find them we attribute importance to them. Sometimes outsized importance. But sometimes we're right--and even if we're usually wrong, being right sometimes is sufficient.

"We" in the above is not "Americans". It's "humans." We all have our tribes in which we're part of the majority. We also all run into circumstances in which we're a minority. Sometimes our minority status doesn't matter; sometimes we simply don't notice it. Been there, done that.

As for Hasan's vandal, he had recently returned from Iraq. There the tribal boundaries are very, very clear, and it can be hard to shed a boundary's salience. Moreover, he was also arrested, just in case he misses the fact that he and Hasan were, at least in the police's eyes, part of the same tribe.