I am getting the sinking feeling that just like 1993...

[samrock]

NO health care or any kind will make it to the president's desk.. and with unemployment staying above 10% well into 2010 we will see huge gains for republicans in congress next year..

[AndyA]

1. If the Democrats in Congress want to keep their seats, they're aware of this as well.

They know if they don't pass something the people will be happy with, they're out of there. They can just start packing up their shit now.

I think this provides a very strong motivation to unify and get this thing done. They know what lies ahead if they don't.

[emulatorloo]

4. +1, as they say around here.

[mamaleah]

8. I agree

1993 gave the GOP more than enough ammunition. 2009 Democrats are smarter.

[emulatorloo]

2. Healthcare is going to get done. It is close to done. Rebublicans have nothing to offer.

The only way Republicans will make gains is if only the teabaggers vote.

[villager]

5. apparently, it's the Democrats we have to worry about

n/t

[emulatorloo]

9. I have faith the Dems are going to get it done. It isn't going to please everybody

Certainly the insurance companies seem to be hopping mad about it.

[villager]

15. evidently, it will please insurance companies more than the rest of us

Based on the degree of "reform" currently being allowed for a vote...

[emulatorloo]

23. Then why are they still spending so much fucking money trying to stop it?

[villager]

25. trying to stop the public option, you mean? I think they succeeded...

n/t

[dysfunctional press]

16. i have yet to hear from anyone who is going to be pleased by it.

[emulatorloo]

22. people who have pre-existing conditions and those who have had their insurance cut

because they were sick.

[dysfunctional press]

27. i fall under both of those categories- and i still think it's a lousy bill.

nt

[Stinky The Clown]

30. No .... something the politicians will call "healthcare" will get done

They will all crow about it and high five each other.

The facts will be far less than that.

You and I will be no better off than we are now.

[FiveGoodMen]

3. It looks that way

However, some bills that might make it to the president's desk would be worse than nothing.

No bill is better than a bad bill.

The problem is that almost no one is in favor of a good bill (one that would provide health care rather than guarantee that the insurance companies get an automatic cut of everyone's money whether they do their jobs or not).

[emulatorloo]

7. The bills aren't quite as bad as you say. And nothing is worse than the status quo

The insurance companies are squawking that the bills are the end of life as we know it. Americans for Prosperity are still spending big buck on their astro turf rallies. Boehner says the bills represents the GREATEST THREAT TO FREEDOM HE HAS EVER SEEN.

All of those are pretty good indications that we are going to get some decent reform out of this. Not perfect.

[dysfunctional press]

17. the kool-aid comes in a lot of flavors.

"All of those are pretty good indications that we are going to get some decent reform out of this"

:eyes:

you have got A LOT to learn about the way things work.

[emulatorloo]

18. Eye-roll all you would like. Both Weiner and Howard Dean have indicated that these bills

contain real reform. The special interest groups are spending money like crazy.

Again is it perfect, no. Apparently Social Security and Medicare were both expanded out after initial passage.

P.S. It was FLAVOR-AID, not Kool-Aide.

Anyway my favorite is sugar free grape.

[dysfunctional press]

19. well then it must be true....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[emulatorloo]

20. Your witty use of ROTFL is very impressive! Here's a link for you so you will get your insults

right next time:

Flavor Aid
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Flavor_Aid

[dysfunctional press]

28. flavor aid...?

:puke:

well...that explains a LOT. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Echo In Light]

6. Mission Accomplished!

[demodonkey]

10. This time is different... we are approaching a total crisis if nothing is done this time.

The thing that is different this time is that doing nothing is absolutely the most costly "option" there is.

We can't compete on a global level, and a big reason for that is that other countries provide healthcare to their citizens rather than dumping that burden on to employers.

How much higher can insurance premiums rise before the balloon explodes? How many more uninsured will the American people tolerate? How many more deaths, bankrupt families, closed businesses, foreclosed homes, etc?

Already we are seeing people on the left starting to mobilize and do civil disobedience. I think this will spread if nothing is done, although like the civil rights and anti-Vietnam war movements it will be a long hard struggle.

[devilgrrl]

11. With the MSM helping not get anything done every step of the way - it's deja vu all over again.

eom

[opihimoimoi]

12. Negative....the PUBs have been exposed as poor leaders with no viable answers

They have no message above Plausible level..its all candied Bull Shit...just like Bush and his WMD and his "No place he can hide" crap

Pubs are HEADED for a dismal letdown....

[Jennicut]

13. Everyone around here keeps acting like the Rethugs will win in 2010.

Well, most President lose seats in the Mid Terms. Be prepared. It has happened to almost every modern President except Bush in 2002 because it was right after 9/11 and many people overreacted and were scared and the Dems were scapegoated (Max Cleland, anyone?) And if they win Congress with a few seats, will we all have a collective heart attack? Life will have to go on and the Dems will have to do better to win the seats back again. That is politics.

[demodonkey]

21. All I can say is start paying attention to HOW we vote...

...the problems with the voting machines have NOT been corrected. And we ignore this at the peril of our party.

Support the Election Integrity group of your choice. And get involved.

[NavyDavy]

14. you all are just a bunch of nay sayers....the sky is falling the sky is

falling, give me a break.....

[Motown_Johnny]

24. we will get something for health care.. it might suck but we will get it.. and unemployment will

start to drop by the 2nd quarter of next year.

hang in there

[Javaman]

26. Oh we will get a health care reform bill but think of is more like a

veneer rather than anything of real substance.

The insurance corps will whine at first while their accounts are actually jumping for joy. the repukes will whine at first but then point out how nothing has changed and the pharma corps will whine at first but then they will realize that part D of medicare will now be extended to the whole nation.

There will be some sort of bullshit mention of now the whole nation has insurance, even those who can't afford it!

But those who can't afford it are the same as those who don't have any. There are those that will be forced into "buying" health care via "government subsidies", which will be funded by us, but the health care corps will see this as a windfall as they jack up our rated using the excuse as "we have more people to cover!!"

We are in the process of being had. There will be a public option, but not one that will actually do anything for that average person that wants to keep rates competitive or give the health care corps competition. No that won't happen.

In the end, we will see nothing but a nice veneer on a pile of rotten planks. 3 or 4 years from now, the repukes will be riding high on how they neutered the bill. And the Dems in congress, as usual, will be sitting around on their thumbs trying to figure out how they got fucked yet again.

The Dems in congress will only get fucked by themselves. This partisan bullshit has got to stop. When one side is not willing to give an inch the concept of partisan should vanish from the table.

They should pass the public option via reconciliation, but that won't happen because harry reid has no spine nor guts to try and push it through.

They all know at the end of the day, whom ever pushes through the public option will vanish from the insurance and pharma contribution roles.

I like to think that all we are being presented with is retarded kabuki theater sung by dogs who were just recently "fixed".

[Kansas Wyatt]

29. I have no problem with them coming back next year...

And ramming through REAL Health Care Reform, like they should have done from the start.

If that happened, the American People would give them a pass on their failure this year. But if they shove their current Republican version down our throats, they will be signing their own pink slips. They have the majorities and the White House, so they do NOT need 'foot in the door' gimmicks.

Yes, that is the bottom line.