heard from my sis at Ft. Hood again. two things

[Soylent Brice]

1. she said that at the base they are being told that there were 3 people aside from Hasan that were being held. two have been cleared and released from custody, one is still being held, and that Hasan is being treated and in custody.


2. she has not heard anything about him screaming "Allahu Akbar", but she has heard from several people, including soldiers who were brought in that had been shot that she was treating, that they heard him saying, "I'm not fucking going!"

also:

In news interviews Friday, the base's commander, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone, said witnesses have reported that the gunman yelled "Allahu Akbar" -- Arabic for "God is great" -- during the rampage. Cone said investigators had not confirmed that.

link: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html

i don't have any theories or speculation.
just passing on what i'm hearing.

[LynneSin]

1. Allahu Akbar sells the package better

Extremist Muslim can be packaged and sold on the nightly news. Disgruntled soldier who is overstressed and doesn't want to server is a tough sell.

[Soylent Brice]

3. another subject, but related: does anyone know if Straight Story heard from his son?

[Echo In Light]

5. Sure does, and is far removed from the implications of "I'm not fucking going!"

[Bozita]

7. !

[KatyaR]

25. Seriously, when I hear that, I thought it was bullshit.

Just an easy way to make it a "them versus us" issue.

[malaise]

26. And I'm not fucking going

is really bad PR for recruiters.

[valerief]

2. If the powers that be can milk it for war, they will. At least, that's SOP. nt

[Solly Mack]

4. Thank you, SB

Fear and panic during a time of danger can cause people to think they see and think they hear almost anything. Different people who witness the exact same event can and often do give different versions on what took place.

We won't know until we do know.

[Soylent Brice]

6. exactly. too much happened yesterday, and it will take a few days,

maybe weeks to sort through all the mucky details.

my sis was very clear though, several soldiers heard him screaming "I'm not fucking going!" several times.

[Echo In Light]

And consider the track record re overall aim & honesty of the M$M outlets shaping 'facts'

The 'official' story will change several times until its honed down sufficiently to 'sell' the perception that Power wants sold, and to bury the rest.

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Thanks for the update. How is your sister holding up?

[Soylent Brice]

9. said when she took her boots off last night they were filled with blood.

she didn't sleep last night, but has since taken a nap.

she's not shaken up by the blood in terms of the procedures handling gun shot wounds. she's shaken up by the fact that it happened.

she said everybody is. she's going to counseling sometime this afternoon.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. :^( Yeah, the trauma of the experience must be reverberating throughout the entire base.

[Soylent Brice]

11. she sounds like she's holding up well enough.

we keep texting her to let her know we're here. basically some normalcy for her.

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. That's good. :^) I hope everyone else has such a good support system in place, expecially those who

lost a friend or loved one in the shooting. I can't imagine what this must be like for the spouses and kids left behind.

[hamsterjill]

21. How far is your family from your sister?

It's wonderful that you all are helping her through this. I cannot imagine the torment that would come with having witnessed yesterday.

I'm glad your sister is holding up.

[Fire1]

13. That confirms the report I heard this a.m. He was about to be

deployed.

[TicketyBoo]

14. Yeah, but one murder would've done the trick.

Or even an armed robbery. Crap. He didn't need to turn an Army base into a slaughterhouse.

[KathyTeaches]

15. Or shoot himself in the freaking foot. NT

[Fire1]

16. True but he got his point across. n/t

[TicketyBoo]

23. Somebody on MSNBC

said that he spoke of his admiration of suicide bomber tactics to take out enemy soldiers.

Looks like he chose his religion over "his" Army, so the more he killed, the better, in his sick mind.

He most certainly should be tried for treason.

[KathyTeaches]

17. Actually, it's second-hand info at best

and doesn't confirm anything yet. Still early.

[Fire1]

18. Then stay tuned for more "second hand" info. n/t

[KathyTeaches]

19. I'm sure there will be lots

Confusion is normal in situations like this.

[Javaman]

20. So the choice was: refuse orders or shoot up a place.

I guess the clear choice for this guy was not refusing orders because, you know, he was a "good soldier". :banghead:

[spanone]

22. the 'allahu akbar' could very well be a media creation...makes for more punditry

[TornadoTN]

24. And fits the right-wing fear mongering message so well

At this point, it doesn't matter what he said - the news has already put the "allahu akbar" out there and most people are running with it as fact.

[MadMaddie]

27. He didn't want to go it is not going to be more complicated than

that! Trying to evaluate and psychoanalyze what went wrong with this guy. This guy had problems from the get go of his military career and he should have been kicked out.

I am glad your sister is okay!!

[rucky]

28. MAJOR fuck-up on Cone's part.

If if it happened, he should have never release that.

He's given the xenophobes plenty of ammo, and probably did some serious harm to the cohesiveness of units with Muslims in it - not to mention the safety of Muslim troops.

[susanr516]

29. I am so glad your sister is ok

She was a real hero, someone who did whatever they could to help. Please tell her how much I admire her courage.