Something very wrong with Ft. Hood story.. CNN now reporting...

[lib2DaBone]

"In Washington, a senior U.S. official said authorities at Fort Hood initially thought one of the victims who had been shot and killed was the shooter. The mistake resulted in a delay of several hours in identifying Hasan as the alleged assailant."
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Dr. Hasan had been treating 2 US Privates who were CO's (conscientious objectors) They had been in his office.

If Dr. Hasan had pre-planned this.. would he not have targeted senior military officials? Seems to me that if I held the rank of Major... I would have the ability to get more "bang-for-the-buck", rather than to just open fire at random? (imho)(just sayin')

Is it possible that Dr. Hasan was a victim and the real shooters were the two CO's who were found dead?

I don't believe a word of the Offishul (sic) Army story. I hope Dr. Hasan recovers and is able to talk.

Go ahead.. flame away.. :yoiks:

[SIMPLYB1980]

1. .

:eyes:

[slackmaster]

2. Lame

K&U

[Vinnie From Indy]

3. Where in the hell is my bic lighter?

Just curious to know why you believe this thread is a bit of flame bait?

[UTUSN]

25. Zippo. Not Bic, Zippo. n/t

[peekaloo]

4. no flames because early reports yesterday were that there were maybe

2 accomplices.


not totally in agreement with your theory but there's still too much confusion.

[juno jones]

56. Interesting eh?

Reminds me of Columbine, where there were more shooters reported originally than just the two kids. I hope Hasan recovers enough to talk.

[seabeyond]

5. i dont have a problem sittin back and waiting for story to unfold.... nt

[dionysus]

6. holy bizarre tinfoil theory batman....

:eyes:

[JackRiddler]

17. Yeah, like the idea that Pat Tillman was shot by the enemy...

Or that Jessica Lynch went down firing, was mishandled and held as a hostage requiring a special rescue operation (rather than treated by doctors who happened to be Iraqi).

Or that brass all the way up to a Republican, Bush-appointed secretary of defense would conspire to propagate lies about such serious matters as part of propaganda management, even after it was obvious that they couldn't get away with it.

Not taking a position on this case, which is still developing, but pointing out the necessary skepticism with which an institution that daily wages psychological warfare operations on the American people must necessarily be approached. Let people have their ideas for now.

[AllieB]

52. If I could recommend your post, I would.

I have no illusions that just because there's a Dem in the WH that a healthy dose of skepticism needs to be put aside.

[blindpig]

54. +1 n/t

[Jennicut]

7. This story is getting stranger and stranger. And with the lack of details

forthcoming from the military, there is an awful lot of speculation building up among everyone. At least he is alive and can talk though who knows what version of the truth we may hear. The thing is, with Obama as President, I think we will get the actual truth. I think Hasan was the shooter but why and how he did it still remains to be known.

[el_bryanto]

8. It is indeed possible. All sorts of things are possible.

Credible? No
Supported by evidence? Not so much.

Bryant

[arcadian]

9. Prediction:

Hasan will be found dead before he stands trial.

[tekisui]

11. He is on a ventilator. Once the time comes

a simple bump of the off switch will do it. When he is no longer useful to be alive anymore.

[SIMPLYB1980]

19. Wait what? "progressive and anti-war" wanting to

give a man in custody the death penalty without a trial?

[tekisui]

28. Of course not.

I want him to stay alive so we can better understand what happened.

I am just saying what could happen to him. Read more carefully, knee-jerk less.

[SIMPLYB1980]

33. Well just wanted to make sure.

From what you posted it sounded like you were looking forward to that happening.

[Sal Minella]

48. Not at all.

Sounded to me like he was thinking the off-switch could easily be bumped by anyone whose interests might be thus served.

That's what I got from that post immediately.

[crim son]

10. Sure it's possible.

I'm having trouble believing what I've read about the man reaching his breaking point because he was about to be deployed. Of course it does happen, but usually these people try to kill themselves too. We'll have to wait and see...

[nebenaube]

24. I'm sorry

I don't know all the regulations but are not commissioned officers entitled to resign their commission at anytime? I know the grunts can't just quit but if I remember correctly a 'commissioned' officer enjoys the luxury. So, if he really objected to be deployed he could have simply submitted his resignation.

[crim son]

43. Or killed himself instead of twelve others. n/t

[Wickerman]

49. I believe in this case the military paid for him to get his MD and specialty

I don't know the arrangements he agreed, but would assume it was something like a 2 for one deal. Two years of service for every year of school. That was what I was obligated to to in the AF when I went to school.

So, its highly likely the Army owned him lock, stock and barrel for years to come.

[tabatha]

50. He tried.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x398944

[existentialist]

12. I don't see any flames so far.

Looks like DU as a whole is willing to wait and see how the story develops before jumping to conclusions.

Good Lord! Maybe this is a site for patience and rational discourse!

[SoCalDem]

13. There were plenty of witnesses who knew who he was n/t

[cali]

14. It's chaotic in the early hours of such an incident

and no, it's not possible that Hasan wasn't the shooter. There are lots of witnesses. Silly stuff you're peddling.

[ShortnFiery]

39. "lots of witnesses"

WHO are these witnesses?

[Junkdrawer]

15. Thought occurred to me too....

IF Hasan pleads innocent, it would be the new Trial of the Century - except it would be a military tribunal.

[HughMoran]

16. You may not be right

...but I think it's a good idea to question any story that is being pedaled until all the facts and other accounts of the incident are public (assuming we ever get all the facts.)

[Dreamer Tatum]

18. Oh, he's a victim, all right

One way or another, this wasn't his fault.


:eyes:

[Barack_America]

20. Your report of who he was treating at the time is very interesting.

I hope we learn more about it.

[Nikki Stone1]

30. +1

..

[DainBramaged]

21. The NCIS crew will figure it out

[ShortnFiery]

38. God, I loath that show. I was in the military & the Navy Officers are so unlike that trash.

[DainBramaged]

41. I'm glad you caught my sarcasm........

I forgot the little smiley

[ShortnFiery]

46. Oh I'm sorry DB. I lack a healthy sense of humor today.

;) :hi:

[Arkansas Granny]

22. I don't think anyone knows the whole story yet. I'm willing to wait until

all the facts are in before I form any hard and fast opinions on what went down. We may never have the whole story.

[Echo In Light]

27. But we know that 'facts' from mainstream sources are often anything but factual

... cause, that's the job of the M$M

[lib2DaBone]

23. I had not heard that there were lots of witnesses...

I hope the facts come out.

I'm glad that at lease most on DU are willing to wait for the facts to come out before they jump on the Pat Tillman/Jessica Lynch bandwagon.

[butterfly77]

26. I will say that at the moment..

I am not believing anything but,Fox is sure making sure that it will be a terrorist one way or the other.

[Nikki Stone1]

29. This story has changes so many times that I'll reserve judgement until the dust has cleared

....

[elocs]

31. Occam's Razor: the most simple explanation is preferred until it is proven wrong.

Everything is not a conspiracy. In fact, the vast majority of things are not.

[peace13]

32. Out in the world we live under the eye of the camera.

No video here?

[Blue-Jay]

34. No flames, but I believe your conjecture is very unlikely.

There are plenty of witnesses who can identify Hasan as the shooter. It's doubtful that there were two other 'real' shooters.

[sinkingfeeling]

35. Nothing about this 'story' has been 'right'. It has a fishy odor.

[Echo In Light]

36. Sure. That, however, also describes numerous incidents of national attention over the past decade

Ya know, parallel "reality" an all

[ShortnFiery]

42. Right. After all that five star commission answered ALL OUR QUESTIONS about 9/11

Just listen to the M$M stenographers who get their information from sweaty guys within the Pentagon. Oh, and those old crusty Generals on TV who are invested up to their eyeballs in the corporations that bring us death and destruction. You know, the one's who will be swimming in more money as soon as Obama capitulates and gives General McCrystal every damn thing he needs. :grr:

[ShortnFiery]

37. Any thing's possible. Our government has lied to us about violence NUMEROUS times.

Remember the babies being thrown out of the incubators in Kuwait? ... or the report of Iraqi's amassing on the border to attack Saudi Arabia? ... or the conflation of 9/11 with Iraq? ... or hell, how bout way back - that "Gulf of Tonkin" LIE that got us into Vietnam?

I don't believe anything the PsyOps lead M$M feeds to us.

If you BELIEVE the M$M's story unvarnished, they you are, IMO, a willingly ignorant fool ... especially since we were just LIED INTO AND ILLEGAL INVASION OF IRAQ by none other than our Pentagon PsyOps controlled M$M.

[BennyD]

53. not only violence but many other things as well. n/t

[951-Riverside]

40. Lets ask the police officers who shot him

How much you want to bet they shot him multiple times because he was armed?

[ShortnFiery]

44. We'll never know the unvarnished truth. n/t

[Enthusiast]

45. One thing that we will find out

for certain is "Obama isn't keeping us safe from terrorists".

























:sarcasm:

[joeybee12]

47. Sorry, but in a situation like this, there's mega-confusion...

...I think the confusion is simply confusion in this case, nothing sinister.

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[Fire_Medic_Dave]

55. The people he targeted were preparing to deploy to the middle east. Enough said.