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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:42 PM
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Is he really alive??
:tinfoilhat:

We know how those CIA and intelligence folks think. Maybe they want "someone" to think he is alive? That maybe he has intelligence?

Who knows what to believe? We need the facts from the media. Don't report him dead or alive until you have seen the evidence.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:43 PM
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1. Our Government has lied to us so damn often, I don't know what to believe.
:shrug:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:43 PM
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2. They said he was at the press briefing they had not long ago.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:44 PM
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3. yes - kind of easy to disprove
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 10:44 PM by stray cat
of course he is alive.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:44 PM
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4. since its not likely that the military is going to parade the press through the guys hospital room
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 10:46 PM by onenote
what exactly should they be reporting other than that the military says he's alive, which is what they are reporting.
And what sort of "evidence" would convince you?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:47 PM
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7. But, they were reporting he was dead.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:49 PM
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11. we know that. what does that have to do with the questions I posed to the OP?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:54 PM
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16. I get what you were saying now.
The media is left with no choice but to repeat what they are told by the military.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:57 PM
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17. Yes. The media is reporting what they are fed.
Nothing new.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:51 PM
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14. You can believe whatever the military says.
I choose to be a little skeptical.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:11 PM
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21. but you can't or won't answer my question
you said the media shouldn't report him dead or alive until they've seen the evidence.

So...what evidence would you believe? What evidence do you think the media should be getting access to.
And if you don't think that they should be reporting that the military now says he alive, what exactly should they say. Or should they just report on the weather and skip the story altogether? After all, other than what the military has said how do you know that any of what has been reported is true.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:15 PM
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25. I would prefer they not report that detail at all.
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 11:15 PM by kentuck
But if they want to say "the military says...", than that is their prerogative. I'm simply saying that perhaps we shouldn't swallow it hook, line, and sinker. I have no idea if he is dead or alive? Still.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:45 PM
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5. Michael is alive! I knew it!!!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:46 PM
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6. Something is happening here.
Either he is alive or someone is wanted to think he is alive.

But, if he really is alive, who was shot?

And, if he is wanted to be believed alive, how long will the body be useful? At some point, a body will have to be produced. Alive or dead.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:48 PM
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8. Sort of like bin Laden?
Huh?
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:48 PM
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9. HE was shot..he's in the hospital after being shot
but still alive
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:49 PM
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12. Yes. That is the latest report.
But he was dead for several hours and no one said a word??
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:51 PM
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15. He got better.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:09 PM
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20. Lazarus? n/t
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:50 PM
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13. So, they just thought he was dead?
I am really curious about this story. I have followed shooting stories in real time, as I am sure most of us in this age have. This was a major mistake in information flow.
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:58 PM
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18. The only official information released
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 11:00 PM by SoCalNative
was at the press conference..not from "unnamed sources" and the like.

Just because information is circulating doesn't mean it's true. Look at all of the misinformation that is circulated whenever something disastrous happens by people spreading rumors.

It's like a giant game of telephone until the actual facts come out and are verified.
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:25 PM
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26. But there was an earlier press conference this afternoon
right before PO spoke. An official military spokesman at Fort Hood came out to speak to the press and said the shooter was dead and two others were in custody. Dead. Not critically wounded or even seriously wounded. But now he's alive and recovering? Something doesn't make sense here.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:14 PM
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24. yes it was a mistake in information flow, but not as shocking as some want to believe
The situation at fort hood was utter chaos. Over forty people shot, all sorts of military and police converging, along with EMTs etc. People being treated and transported to a number of hospitals. Information being demanded. Its not an organized event where there is one person who knows exactly what has happened. Information filters in and gets disseminated. Some of the info is good, some is bad. For the person designated to speak to the press, the choices are to take your chances that the information you are being given is good or not to say anything. Sometimes -- actually quite often -- the decision to try to provide information so that people aren't left in the dark means that the information provided will not all turn out to be accurate.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:49 PM
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10. Wow - your tinfoil is tighter than mine.
But you make sense. I'll get a few more twistie ties and link up w/ you.


It is all just so tragic.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:00 PM
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19. I heard that he is in fact, a robot- neither living nor dead.
However, I know a guy who says that despite being an android, the shooter does in fact have human emotions.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:12 PM
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22. we really need to lower our expectations of our media..our information gatherers are greatly flawed
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:14 PM
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23. Micklisiwsky said that we cannot trust anything out of Ft Hood
at the repeat (live) of the Maddow show.
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