NRA types always wish the 'good guys' had guns when a mass shooting occurs. Ft Hood has a zillion

[Liberal_in_LA]

guns. So did having guns make a difference?

[MNDemNY]

1. Maybe, we'll see.

[gmoney]

2. yes, otherwise all 40,000 plus people there would have surely perished!

:/

[Howardx]

3. kicked and recced

looking forward to hearing why "its totally not the same" :sarcasm:

[librechik]

4. no--all guns kept locked up unless needed on the base

guess it takes awhile to get them out--as it would in my home if I had any guns and somebody kicked in my door.

[Liberal_in_LA]

8. grew up on Army bases. Every home had guns. Big army bases like Hood have neighborhoods of

family homes...not just the barracks where soldiers live. Trust me.. GUNS EVERYWHERE.

[Craftsman]

11. I have been to Ft. Hood, lots of areas with no houses around.

[Hangingon]

44. Ft. Hood is about 340 square miles.

So there are lots of ranges and manouver areas without housing. There are 5,000 sets of quarters for officers and enlisted on post.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

38. I was stationed at many Army bases, there were very few rapidly accessible guns on them.

[Major Hogwash]

64. You can have your own guns at an Army base in your own house.

If you couldn't, we couldn't go hunting during the hunting season.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

65. When I'm at work and my guns are at home they aren't rapidly accessible.

[nonconformist]

43. NOT every home.

I lived on Ft Riley for over 5 years, and not only did our home not have any guns, most of the people we knew on base did not have guns in their homes.

[ZombieHorde]

52. Why are all of the guns locked up on military bases? nt

[Recursion]

55. Because they cost several thousand dollars each

And it's well-established in the military that if it isn't nailed down, I can steal it. And if I can pry it loose, it wasn't nailed down hard enough.

[ddeclue]

61. P.S. also because a lot of them are fully automatic. nt

[lefty369]

53. they should ALLOW them to carry on base. Could have prevented

this tragedy from happening perhaps.

[Regret My New Name]

68. Well.. imagine if the shooter had that same access...

[Craftsman]

5. Maybe, one of the shooters is dead.

[paulsby]

6. ft hood isn't that different from any US city

the MP's are the only ones (analogous to civilian police) walking around with loaded guns.

most soldiers on the base are not in possession of a loaded firearm during their day to day travels.

ft hood has what , 60k people?

how many armed police officers do they have patrolling?

guns don't do much good in a mass shootign when they are locked in an armory.

[dionysus]

7. actually, people don't walk around the base carrying loaded weapons. just guards\MPs

[paulsby]

10. exactly.... there are actually most likely LESS

people in the general population (iow not MP's etc.) who are walking around strapped vs. say a place like any city in WA (we are a shall issue state)

soldiers, unless they are MP's are NOT armed on base, most of the time

[Orsino]

50. +1

When my wife first met me on a military base, she was surprised that no one was walking around armed but a few MPs, and further surprised by my assertion that guns were under stricter control there than outside the gates.

Guns stored on post are locked and guarded, with access rather carefully controlled.

[Craftsman]

9. The weapons are locked up in the armories most of the time and when out rarely have ammo

Live ammo is only carried usually by MP's or at the range.

[librechik]

14. see post #8

[braddy]

12. Ft Hood has a zillion

The soldiers are not armed, they are only issued guns when training and are not issued ammunition.

The civilians outside the gate are better armed because they can carry loaded firearms all the time with their concealed carry license.

Do not confuse bases in war zones with bases in the United States.

[ezgoingrl]

13. Excellent post

K and R!

[raw oysters]

24. It was not, it was a flamebaiting farrago of nonsense containing no facts.

...

[ezgoingrl]

27. I hate guns, sorry.

I try to contain my ire towards firearms, but sometimes it just comes out.

[raw oysters]

32. Well, I understand that, but hating inanimate objects is a pretty irrational thing to do.

:shrug:

[Liberal_in_LA]

33. Ouch! It was a question! Your reply is a flaming bag of poo.

No facts. just fancy words

[raw oysters]

15. Well SOMEONE shot the attacker so it's a fair assumption he could have killed

more if he hadn't been stopped.

[JackRiddler]

16. People who say that have seen too many fucking movies.

Don't you know the good guys draw faster?

[DearAbby]

17. Um it's a military base...EVERYONE IS ARMED

but dont let the facts get in the way of a good NRA spew...yep yep

[raw oysters]

19. I sure hope you aren't dispensing advice on military matters.

:eyes:
"Dear Abby"..........:grr:

[DearAbby]

22. Re-read my post?

edited with a cooler head. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[raw oysters]

26. You were defenestrated?

:silly:

[DearAbby]

28. Twas so....

[slackmaster]

21. No, that is absolutely not true

The only people who are armed on a military base are those whose job it is to maintain security - Military police, sentries, body guards. People who are not actively engaged in those duties are prohibited from carrying weapons.

Military weapons that are not being carried for duty or used for training are supposed to be kept locked up. Personal weapons are generally prohibited too.

[DearAbby]

25. Thank you for the information

[GA_ArmyVet]

34. No, Dont let the facts get in the way indeed

It is a military base, Personally owned weapons are almost always restricted and are generally prohibited. The military does no recognize State issued Concealed Carry Permits. All weapons must be registered. No Loaded Weapons can be carried except in approved hunting locations and ranges. No weapons are allowed in Private vehicles except for transport on and off post directly to hunting areas, arms rooms or other secure location.

Personnel living on the base are allowed to have weapons in their homes (Not the barracks), once registered and approved by the Commander. That approval can be withdrawn and the weapon secured at anytime without notice.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

40. Spoken by someone who has never been on a military post of any kind.

[paulsby]

46. false

have you ever BEEN on a military base?

military bases IN the USA (vs. in the middle of a war zone) do not fit your description.

you say EVERYONE is armed.

the actual situation is that, apart from MP's and military law enforcement, the VAST majority of soldiers are NOT armed.

unlike a place like, say WA state where i live, the average joe is not going to be walking around carrying concealed.

[Recursion]

56. No

There are fewer people walking around armed on most military bases than in most cities.

[slackmaster]

18. You seem to be ignorant about military policies concerning possession of weapons

Read up on it, and you may save yourself from making additional stupid comments.

[raw oysters]

20. You think that one was goofy? Look at "dear abby"s post

jeezus
:eyes:

[slackmaster]

23. Ignorance abounds

DUers who have actually served in the military or have friends or families that have, know how lame their remarks are.

[Liberal_in_LA]

36. grew up on a base. High rate of fire arm ownership by families stationed there

yeah yeah, I know, this incident happened around the soldiers.

[derby378]

37. These were unarmed soldiers, gunned down by a uniformed Army Major

With two handguns, no less.

Not sure what his accomplices were carrying, but a rifle appears to have been involved.

[Ozymanithrax]

29. On a military base, soldiers don't walk around armed. It is bad for good order and discipline.

The shooter was killed by a cop on the base, by reports, and one civilian police officer was killed.

[cliffordu]

30. Must have been kind of difficult to climb on a stack of freshly killed soldiers

that high to make this chickeshit post, Eh??

[havocmom]

58. +1

Best response. Thank you.

[cliffordu]

63. You are quite welcome -

IIRC, you have a son deployed...If so I hope he is safe tonight wherever he is.

[havocmom]

66. Friend's daughter and neice's husband both in Iraq

Thank you for kind thoughts for all who serve

[rvablue]

31. Good grief! This is so traumatic! Can we ease up on the quarterbacking until the dust settles?

:banghead:

[chat_noir]

35. FReeper response to Fort Hood shootings

[Arugula Latte]

39. Exactly!

That argument is completely full of shit.

[Xicano]

41. The OP's assertion is a very ignorant one.

All the bases I've been to back when I severed as an infantryman in the army don't allow people to be armed with personal weapons in any of the barracks - period!

For those who are living in on base housing, yes, they can own personal weapons, but, they are not allowed to be carrying them around on base. They are strictly regulated.

All military weapons are locked up in armory vault rooms to which I will not give any details. I will just say I've pulled duty several times back when I was in the army keeping our unit's armories security and I can say with total confidence there is no way in the world any of those vaults are going to be accessed by anyone at anytime without it instantly becoming aware of. Not even Brad Pitt or George Clooney in Ocean's Thirteen are getting in without getting busted instantly.

The point is, as others have said, military bases only have military police armed and soldiers at a live fire ranges out away from living areas.


That is all...

[northzax]

49. It's quite remarkable, isn't it?

That the general population in Texas are allowed, even encouraged, to carry firearms, but soldiers, people trained to carry and use them, are not? Odd. Wonder what the Army knows that we don't?

[RobertSeattle]

42. It's a military post - they are all locked up

[Israfel4]

45. They need AMMO for the weapons which they only receive

when they get to the RANGE. :)

Except for the MP's of course.

All they could do was THROW things at him and I would only throw things when he stops to reload or from behind "cover". :)

[aikoaiko]

47. No that you know your premise was false -- it was a viritual gun free zone for the victims,

What do you think about your question?

[Crabby Appleton]

48. You're wrong - guns and ammo are locked up on post.

[X_Digger]

51. K&U for ignorance about military life. n/t

[Canuckistanian]

54. A zillion guns - but only a handful of bullets

Usually reserved for the MP's and other security people.

I don't think military personnel are allowed to carry LOADED weapons in a VERY secure area.

[Kievan Rus]

57. So true. I said the same thing after three Pittsburgh cops were gunned down in April...

by a right-wing gun nut with an AK-47.

I remember the sarcastic posts saying, "if only the victims had been armed...oh wait!"

[spin]

59. There have been incidents where a concealed weapon...

stopped a crime or a massacre.

Also some massacres have been stopped by a civilian or civilians with firearms.

Since only one or two percent of the adult population in a state have carry permits and probably only 10 to 20 percent of those carry on a regular basis, it's not surprising that victims are often unarmed.

Carrying a firearm on a regular bias is a pain in the ass. It's easy to find an excuse to leave your weapon at home.

[ddeclue]

60. Not really.. people on guard duty have guns, i.e. the M.P.'s

people training are issued guns during the exercise but they don't get to keep them after.

It's not a combat zone. The Army doesn't let its soldiers walk around with loaded guns unnecessarily because they don't want them shooting each other.

[LostInAnomie]

62. I would almost bet that a few of the dead or injured come from crossfire.

[benEzra]

67. None, by all reports.

The armed civilian officer who stopped the murderer didn't hit anybody else, it looks like. Just the bad guy. She was hit herself, but she was using a lot bigger gun than he was.