Fox News owns this sign

[babylonsister]

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200911050036

Fox News owns this sign

November 05, 2009 2:41 pm ET by Matt Gertz

Center for American Progress' Matthew Yglesias brings us these images, originally taken by his colleague Lee Fang at this afternoon's anti-health care rally on Capitol Hill:





That's the caption "National Socialist Health Care, Dachau, Germany - 1945" over the piled corpses of Holocaust victims.

Fox News figures have spent the last few days aggressively promoting this rally. One of their hosts, Glenn Beck, has spent the last six months joining other media conservatives in comparing every aspect of President Obama's program -- including his health reform plan -- to that of the Nazis.

Fox News owns this sign.

[blondeatlast]

1. A-effin'-men. This is all yours, FOX. nt

[ThatsMyBarack]

16. It's all theirs....

To cram up their FAUX News arse.

[The Wielding Truth]

111. Called Boehner's office and said that he should have denounced

this and any low personal attacks by anyone in a group which he is representing. I said that I have seen Barack Obama stop any personal disrespectful acts at his appearances, and any leader, unless he agrees with the signs and actions, should require his audience to be civil and respective of the opponent or cause.

I didn't let him use the excuse that it was only one sign and that everyone one has the freedom to say what they will. I said that leaders should lead in civility. If that was the body of your grandmother or aunt or uncle or father or mother, would you like it to be used as a cheap propaganda tool? I told him that we should work together to solve our health care dilemma. He then said that he would note the message.

I thanked him.

Tell them how you feel about this.

Here's the # 202-225-6205 for Boehner's office

Michelle Bachman 202-225-2331 called~busy

Eric Cantor 202-225-2815 called~busy

[DissedByBush]

33. Grayson (D) called our current system a "Holocaust"

Looks like there's a lot of tasteless invoking of Godwin's Law lately.

[Lautremont]

36. A holocaust, not THE Holocaust.

You can make the case that it was still inappropriate if you believe, as many do, that the word should be reserved for that Holocaust alone, but it's not the same thing as that sign.

[DissedByBush]

42. Yeah, right

He was referring to some other holocaust.

Do you seriously believe that?

[Turborama]

44. He wasn't referring to any particular historical holocaust

He was describing it as "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh5SLeOgqjI">this holocaust". It's a word that's not reserved for just one particular historical event. Personally I think he'd have been better off using the word genocide to avoid all the misdirected reactions he got, and appears to still be getting.

[DissedByBush]

73. He probably would have used "genocide"

If the Holocaust had never happened.

[anniebelle]

58. When 45,000 Americans die every year because of no health care, it's "A" Holocaust. n/t

[w4rma]

116. lowercase holocaust. (nt)

[YOY]

79. Yes.

Yes we do.

[fascisthunter]

89. yes we do.... and the man is a Jew

so shut up already with your weak defense of the right wing.

[aintitfunny]

93. He was using a word that has meaning other

than "The Holocaust" which is capitalized for a reason. Miriam Webster definition of holocaust is: "a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through fire <a nuclear holocaust>" so yes he was referring to an extensive loss of life other than "The Holocaust". It is correct use of language and cannot even remotely be compared to the display and exploitation of victims of The Holocaust in order for extremists to push a false point.

[patrice]

100. Right, and because someone can refer to the tree in my front yard, there is no such thing as a tree.

:crazy:

[katty]

97. the JDL/all should be breaking down Faux's corporate HQ's

[Captain Hilts]

2. Wow. They don't know Churchill supported nationalized healthcare in Britain in the '30s. nt

[Amy6627]

115. So did Republican Teddy Roosevelt! n/t

[Zoeisright]

3. Christ, those people are STUPID.

I mean, they define the term. No logical reasoning skills at all, they swallow whole every huge lie Limpballs and O'Lielly push down their throats, and they're furious that a black man is in the White House. They're ignorant, incompetent, and I would bet the vast majority are sucking at the teat of government through Social Security and Medicare.

[BluDemocratGirl]

57. You got that right

..and don't forget that they are some sick bastards as well.

[xxqqqzme]

96. It is painfully obvious

they enjoy no scholarly pursuits. I suspect the only dictionary they have ever used was left open, next to the hole in the little out building down wind from the house.

[madrchsod]

4. it`s time for the president of the united states of america...

to go on television and denounce these people.

if he does`t say it`s wrong then he believes it is right.

[Sebass1271]

10. oh lord!!! these ppl need help!!!!.. i hope the media is not

:hug: given them a time of day!

[hedgehog]

5. My Mom keeps an eye on cable news. She was quite disturbed by the tenor of the crowds

today since she's never seen any of the freeper sites.

[Cha]

26. That's good.

[hedgehog]

28. Well, if she is typical of a lot of people finding out how crazy the teabaggers

are, then it's good. Unless you go on line a lot, i don't think the average person realizes how radical and hateful the teabaggers are.

[Cha]

29. That's what I talkin'

about. I meant "that's GOOD!":)

[hedgehog]

31. I just wanted to make sure no one thought my Mom was a closet

Republican!

:)

[SusanaMontana41]

52. No worries, hedgehog!

My brother listens to Limbaugh for the same reason. Their stomachs are much stronger than mine.

[LSK]

6. so all those European countries with National Healthcare have piles of corpses everywhere???

:wtf:

[DFW]

60. You got it

All over France, Holland, Denmark, etc. those happy people you see sitting at the cafés are really the walking dead.

[CTyankee]

80. It makes me wonder if teabaggers just haven't been to Europe at all in their lives.

If they went there, I think they might get a clue.

I don't wish problems on anyone, but my travel broker, himself a conservative, was hit by a motorbike in Portugal and was taken to the hospital. He raves about the care he got and says that when he came back and was checked out by his primary care doc she said "whatever they did over there, it was great." He told that to my group last month travelling there, so as to reassure those who hadn't ever been to Europe that they need not worry about health care if something happens on the trip. Maybe these teabaggers should have such an experience. It sure had an effect on the travel broker...

[SharksBreath]

84. They probalby couldn't find Europe on a map

Let alone visit.

[CTyankee]

85. Whatever happened to the big American tourist? All kinds of Americans are

going to Europe, esp. Italy, altho prolly not as many now as a few years ago. I travelled with several groups that included Republicans. Hell, my own repub. B.I.L. has a son living in Switzerland so his grandkids have government assisted health care there. He knows their standard of living is high, even tho they are not rich. He knows that his son's family is happy, healthy, well educated and live in a peaceful, stable country...

[patrice]

101. I propose a new charity organization: Progressives take Teabaggers to Europe!! nt

[Bobbie Jo]

7. These people are beyond disgusting.

:puke:

[BrklynLiberal]

8. I agree. They are beyond f**ked up.

[DearAbby]

9. Clearer pictures

This is an organized "HEALTHCARE+TERRORIST MEME, members of congress equating healthcare legislation to terrorism, Fox, Bachmann, today Boehner. Yes they definitely owns this

[patrice]

102. And don't forget that John Boehner is not John "bay - ner", he's John "boner", if the Democratic

Party is not the Democratic Party, but rather the Democrat Party, John Boehner is John Boner.

[reggie the dog]

11. Are people really so stupid that they think we do not know

that of our Allies in WWII the USA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WITHOUT SOME FORM OF SOCIALIZED MEDECINE??? Who do they think they are fooling? Seriously people know that France, the UK, and Canada (our 33 biggest WWII allies) all have socialized medecine. Actually so does modern Germany.

[Hekate]

55. They really are that stupid. They are as ignorant of history as Dubya was...

No wonder Dubya maintains his popularity with this segment of the population to this day.

Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid

They don't effing know anything outside of what they are told by whoever they decided was their authority in all matters.

Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid

When I saw that Dachau sign -- an image I have known from earliest childhood used in this manner, words absolutely failed me. The only thing I could think of in my shock was:

Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid

A human is not born that stupid. They have to work at it for a lifetime to achieve that level of scum-sucking bottom-dwelling sheer mindlessness.

Hekate

[Ineeda]

62. Yes. And just like *

there's an element of evil mixed in with the stupidity. It's so demoralizing and frightening.

[classof56]

83. You nailed it. And as Ineeda says, they are not only stupid but just plain evil

I am still haunted by the images and stories of the WWII concentration camps that I first became aware of when I was a kid shortly after the war's end. The horrors are beyond comprehension, and the fact that those images are being used as a comparison with the proposed health care reform is beyond reprensible. Unfortunately, these same miserable excuses for human beings do not have the capacity to feel shame about their actions. I, however, can pronounce shame and reproach upon them with every fiber of my being, for whatever that's worth.

[patrice]

103. It's worth enough, thank you very much! Never stop believing that.

:hi:

[classof56]

108. Your words are appreciated.

Hi back to you and I just realized I spelled reprehensible wrong. Charge it off to my sense of outrage and difficulty thinking clearly.

As we used to say back in the 60s--keep the faith! Sure is hard these days, but I'll keep trying!

Blessings.

[era veteran]

63. No questions asked

I have been given free health care in W. Germany & Spain in the 70's. It was even Franco's Spain. Both times away from US care & broke.

[Arkana]

12. Anyone noticing the upside down sign?

[Tx4obama]

53. Hahahaha! I bet that guy with that sign doesn't even realize it ! n/t

[Kurovski]

13. They are vile.

[seabeyond]

14. these people are sick. nt

[Solly Mack]

15. Sick, sick people.

[spanone]

17. i'm not jewish, but that is offensive and disrespectful beyond belief

[Kievan Rus]

18. If Beck/Rush/Bachmann told 'em the sky was orange, they'd buy it

[berni_mccoy]

19. Yes. Yes it does.

[Are_grits_groceries]

20. That is without a doubt

the most appaling sign I have ever seen in any context. Somebody needs to drag that fool throught the Holocaust Museum by his nostrils.

[seemunkee]

21. Olberman just showed it.

[donquijoterocket]

105. along with bohner's blindness and deafness

And calling rep. Bohner on his statement that he'd seen nothing disrespectful. But then we know the fumes from that spray on tan may have liquefied portions of both his cerebrum and cerebellum. These folks must leave a large part of any sense of shame, decorum, and perspective on those charter busses.

[Canuckistanian]

22. Shit. This is bad.

This level of delusion is beyond disturbing.

[tabasco]

23. Vile, repulsive, sickening.

I cannot find words that express my abject disgust with these goddamn idiots and fools.

[The Magistrate]

24. Yes, Ma'am, It Certainly Does

[quiet.american]

25. That the person felt perfectly fine holding it -- disgusting, vile, filth. nt

[Maraya1969]

27. That is just so wrong in so many ways. It's appalling.

[nolabear]

30. Words fail me. This is unconscionable. n/t

[unkachuck]

32. "National Socialist Health Care, Dachau, Germany - 1945""

....I believe what the repugs are trying to convey is their solution for our sick, elderly and healthcare problems....

....repugs macht frei!

[Betty Karlson]

72. Don't. Just don't say that.

"(anything) macht frei" invokes the Nazis just like they did. Don't lower yourself to their level, and don't hurt the feelings of families who lost loved ones in those camps. Just don't.

[liberation]

34. So can we finally invoke Godwin's Law on these idiots... and declare the debate over

and their inane position the losing one?

[onehandle]

35. Slight Correction: Fox News, Propaganda Network of the GOP owns this sign. nt

[jwirr]

37. Hey Bachmann - Your lie.

[rockymountaindem]

38. Is anybody surprised anymore?

Really...

[Faygo Kid]

39. That is Fox News. That is who they are.

They do indeed own it.

[Historic NY]

76. Mario orange shoes, really.

[Historic NY]

77. Mario orange shoes, really.

[BillDU]

40. Ironic

Crap is, these are the same people who unquestionably support our military.........

[Initech]

41. Botswana called. They want their bat shit back.

Disgusting pricks. :puke:

[NYC_SKP]

43. kickrec nt

[philly_bob]

45. Newsfolk: That's an expensive sign. Who paid for it? /nt

[jillan]

46. Those poor people who were tortured to death are being used as a political stunt...it is unspeakable

I really hope there is a hell for people who would create, carry or promote this.

[SusanaMontana41]

51. +1

Dante's Inferno awaits.

[Libertas1776]

47. Despicable

Absolutely despicable. These people have not one ounce of shame. I wish I could spit in each and every one of their faces.

[tradeunionsupporter]

48. National Socialism was not real Socialism we all know that

National Socialism was not real Socialism we all know that.

[YOY]

78. No shit.

Anyone who has ever taken a simple Polisci class or has the ability to read a book knows that.

[Enthusiast]

86. It was in a sense.

Every war effort was socialized. Every national resource was turned toward the goal of defeating the allies. That was kind of socialistic in a sense.

But it is quite a stretch to compare Nazi Germany with any existing social democracy we see today. Of course Faux News makes stretches of this kind every day keeping their viewers in a constant state of increasing ignorance and anger.

[sce56]

49. Yeah and what happened to the 10-31 project Colbert was promoting?

[drm604]

50. I wonder who is responsible for that sign?

It doesn't look like some cheap thing some tea bagger made in his basement.

[FrenchieCat]

54. IT couldn't get worse than this, could it?

To liken Health care reform in 21st century America to what the unspeakable crimes that occurred in the concentration camps of nazi Germany is more than just over the top; it makes those who would advocate this totally out of bounds, out of mind and out to lunch. It's enough to wonder if these people are sane; because that is not an analogy that any sane and civilized person would make; not by a mile. :scared:

[Hekate]

56. When I listen to the likes of Bachman, Palin, Beck & the rest, I think that yes it can get worse...

They want violence and they are fomenting individual and mob violence.

See my post #55 re scum-sucking bottom-dwelling ignorance and cultivated stupidity among the mob.

Hekate
:argh:

[patrice]

107. I honestly believe they would rejoice over a Civil War II - as "God's Will"

for the struggle between Good and Evil . . . . God wants us to kill one another?

[Enthusiast]

87. Out of touch, out of mind and out to lunch.

Yup. That about shoehorns it in there.

Faux/Limbaugh viewers are so gullible that they will believe absolutely anything. They want to believe. They cling to the next revelation by Glenn Beck.

If we only had known we could have made a fortune investing in ammunition. Faux viewers have spent a fortune on guns and ammunition in preparation for the day when Obama comes to take them away.

[BlueMTexpat]

59. What Faux and the Teabaggers simply don't seem to realize is that

they themselves are most analogous to Goebbels' propaganda and the SS bullies.

[Enthusiast]

91. The rest of the world knows it.

Europeans have seen the rise of fascism up close. Believe me, this is why they were alarmed over the false election of G W Bush in 2,000. They know, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you should ignore what it says and instead focus on what it does.

[winyanstaz]

61. Stop WATCHING Fox news...

turn off the tv..stop feeding the monster.

[moonbatmax]

64. K&R and something else Fox will own...

...if we don't turn it around, and fast.

I got this email from a friend last night. He's still a friend, despite his politics, but I have no choice but to fight him on this one:

Please take 10 seconds to vote and turn this around


Fox News is losing in an NPR Poll, but with the power of the Internet we can turn that around in a few hours.

If you haven't heard this, the White House is accusing Fox News of not being a legitimate source of news, calling them biased, etc. They have tried to block Fox reporters from news conferences, etc., NPR has put a survey online for us to voice our opinion.

Currently it is 73% in favor of the White House, because mainly liberals log on to the NPR website.

If Fox loses this poll you can bet Obama will mention it as support for his attack on Fox.

Let's show them how we feel about honest conservative news reporting.

To vote log onto:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/10/in_white_house_vs_fox_news_war.html

Then ... forward this to all your conservative friends!

Note especially: "73% in favor of the White House." When I went to check this out, it had already swung to 86% in favor of Fox.

Talk about a swing vote!

As I read the poll, only a little over two hundred thousand voters had favored the White House. If that represented 73% of the total when the email went out, that would have been a total response of just over three hundred thousand. By the time I'd got there, it had risen to over 1.7 MILLION votes, over 1.5 million of them for Fox! That's up from LESS than a hundred thousand, if I got the math right.

Looks like someone else has figured out "grass roots" mobilization.

Okay, this probably isn't that big a thing. The poll came out over a week ago (October 23), and probably isn't going to make any news cycles now. Hell, I hadn't even heard of this thing before my friend mistook me for a conservative. Still... this is NPR. Do we really want them to think their listeners have swung so hard to the right? Sure, they must be smarter than that, but do we even want to allow the possibility?

Surely, we must have enough here alone to turn the tables back?

And don't forget to tell all your liberal friends!

[Ineeda]

75. Now 86% Fox, WH 13% at 9AM (freepers in motion) n/t

[HamdenRice]

65. The stupidest, most inarticulate fools compare every bad thing to the Holocaust, slavery, apartheid,

and Hitler, hence trivializing the greatest crimes against humanity.

[indimuse]

66. There has got to be a Loop Hole somewhere...

to make these f*ckers PAY for the FAKE President-Fake War THEY HELPED INSTALL- (I know it wasn't FAKE to families and innocent people who did and still do suffer from it!) THe Fake OUTRAGE and and just Blatant LIES they regurgitate daily! This really harmful to the United States and the World! I wish we could start a *Class Action* law suit! This organization is the Epitome Anti-American Zealots!! They have crossed the line.............! Many times and NO penalty! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[YOY]

67. Ironically a sign being displayed by a bunch of ultra-nationalists.

n/t

[sofa king]

68. Which makes sense, since Fox is the Volkisher Beobachter of the GOP.

[Vinca]

69. It was hard to get your brain around the fact a person would actually

put an image like that on a political sign. Whoever held it should be identified and publicly shamed. It was horrible and heartbreaking.

[4_TN_TITANS]

70. This is beyond sick...

My sympathies to anyone with family ties to Nazi Germany.

[Betty Karlson]

71. "God damn America"?

How are the survivors of Dachau supposed to feel about this, or the next of kin of those who died there?

It's even worse when you realise that Dachau, of all camps, was the one where gay people were subjected to horrible lobotomy experiments - the protest is staged by people who support initiatives like Proposition 8 (California)or proposition 1 (Maine). It gets even more bad when we remember how many Jews and others were deliberately killed in Dachau for racist reasons- including family of my boyfriend - and now their memory is invoked by people who have a decidedly racist streak to their opposition against Mr Obama?

It feels like the ascend of 1984: everything gets twisted, nothing is holy anymore - anything goes to mask the lack of principled opposition by the Republicans.

I won't channel the Rev. Wright and try to encourage God to damn a certain land, but I hope these people get lots of mercy from God if ever they stand before His judgement - they'll need all the mercy they can get.

[patrice]

109. Don't forget those amongst them who LUST for the "End Times" when anyone who disagrees with their

"Jesus" will die in a great war, or something like that.

[Betty Karlson]

117. Could it be they will find themselves suddenly and ironically

at the wrong side of the rapture?

That rapture is merely a gathering of God-fearing souls at the hill of Meggido; (H)ar-Maggeddon in Hellenised Greek.

[patrice]

118. I seriously think that many ARE Blasphemers. "God" WILL correct them, . . . .

and the rest of us too (because Truth, by definition, is inevitable), and it stands to reason that the bigger your mistake, e.g. "I KNOW the mind of God AND the Future in re such and such," that is, the bigger your mistake, the bigger the correction.

I just hope as/when it all happens the more humble amongst us don't HAVE to suffer tooooooooo much for the errors of others, but then that IS what the life of Yeshua shows and us and he did say that he IS with us always.

ALL of The Innocent Dead and Suffering, all of those who suffer and die at the hands/minds of others, ARE (literally, concretely, right-here-and-now) Jesus.

[Betty Karlson]

119. Very true. N/T

[pleah]

74. K&R

[gtar100]

81. The depth of disgust to which these teabaggers go really knows no bounds.

Ignorance, ignorance ignorance. What a tragic commentary on who these people are.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

92. they should be exposed for their dirty deeds on national news

[newtothegame]

82. The whole "nazi" thing is everybody's fault, not just conservatives.

We as liberals AND conservatives have spent so much of the last century using words like "nazi," "racist," and "sexist" to our political advantage and to make headlines that none of these words mean much to the average citizen anymore.

[fascisthunter]

88. and yet Fox and their Right Wing represent Nazi views

and the socialism part was always a red herring.

[Kansas Wyatt]

95. I think part of it is their radical Republican Projection.

They get off on Nazi views, so they are accusing their opponent of being guilty of what they really are, in an attempt to lessen and obfuscate the horror of what they stand for.
Socialism was the angle they exploited.

[patrice]

110. Precisely. That IS the dynamic. Scapegoating absolves you, so you can go on without

changing.

"Don't worry. Be happy. Jesus died for our sins. You're saved."

[Rosa Luxemburg]

90. This is a disgrace

[keepthemhonest]

94. That is sick

those are people who died a horrible death in that picture that they are using as propaganda.That is someone's sons' and daughters', mothers' and fathers', brothers' and sisters'.I hate to have to see images like that in a documentary sometimes,although it is necessary to show them, so people can learn from it.However, to use those type of images in this manner is just absolutely sick.SICK.


Sick sick in case you did not get that.

[JawJaw]

98. Can't Believe My Eyes...

Just when you thought these wretched people couldn't sink any lower..

What NEXT ??

[patrice]

99. THAT is a Sacrilege!!! - - -> and THIS from certain groups who long to see

another Holocaust that is part of "The Second Coming" when anyone who doesn't believe in THEIR "Jesus" dies in somekind of end-times-scenario that many "Christians" ARE LUSTING for!!!

They call themselves "Pro-Life" and they don't even recognize a SACRILEGE on the lives of 6,000,000 Jews when they see one.

F---ing SICK, SICK, SICK, SICK, SSSIIIICCCCKKK!!!

[redqueen]

104. K&R

[Lerkfish]

106. the irony is that most of the teabaggers are KKKers, so likening it to Nazism should

be a PLUS to them,

if true logic were applied.

At any rate, I have trouble believing this same group of folks are that concerned about the holocaust.

[texastoast]

112. Agreed. They just wanted the shock value.

They care nothing for human suffering unless it is that of some "white," "non-ethnic" person.

[Celtic Merlin]

113. OWN it??? Hell, Foxed-up News MADE that sign!

Who here has any doubt that it came from their own Graphics Dept.??

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist

[pfitz59]

114. I agree with you

bet the local affiliate supplied all the signs!