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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 03:23 PM
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On Internet Copyright and Network Neutrality
There have been several threads today regarding a treaty being discussed in secret talks in South Korea. The treaty in question (more here and here) apparently deals with (among other things) international enforcement standards for copyright laws.

The Internet makes all sorts of copyright violations possible. There's no argument that everything from unauthorized copies of Windows (OR Mac!) operating systems, games, movies, books, and music are illicitly downloaded every single day. It may come as a surprise to many that this has always been the case; there are plenty of other methods apart from download from websites (which make up only part of the whole internet), such as Usenet, IRC, and even chat programs like Yahoo Messenger. Using websites only makes it easier to access.

The point is, digital anything is easily copied, and that's where the problem lies for copyright holders. No matter what method you use, from key encryption to the laughable Sony method, it will be broken. This is an absolute law that has yet to be violated in the consumer market. However, that isn't a problem for those who know how to defeat DRM schemes; it is only a problem for legitimate users.

One recent case in point was the release of Bioshock from 2K Games. Bioshock, at launch, was only able to be installed three times per copy. No, not on three different machines; it was a hard-and-fast limit of three installs only on the same machine, forever. Naturally, this caused a severe headache for game reviewers, who typically install each game they review on many different machines, each with a different hardware configuration, for testing purposes. After a huge backlash from the gaming community, 2K Games eventually issued a revocation tool, and has now apparently done away with the limit altogether (from my own personal experience). Of course, Bioshock still has to be activated online, which is impossible for anyone without an internet connection, but I digress. Illegitimate users didn't have to deal with any of that; the only people who were hassled were paying customers.

Now, what does any of that have to do with network neutrality and copyright? Well, there has been much talk of what's 'possible' for an ISP. Certainly, no single ISP- or even any centralized authority- can sniff the entire internet every day. That would require an absurd level of power and storage- a full internet's worth, daily. Clearly, that's implausible at the least. But what happens if ISPs, in response to this treaty, set up something like this:



Oh, my. Now, under a plan such as this, content is neatly segregated into "sections" or "plans" of customers who are paying for specific content. Suddenly, all the ISP has to look at is certain segments of customers. This image represents the death of network neutrality.

With network neutrality in place, the internet is "too big to sniff". All data, regardless of content, is currently treated in the same way by the network itself. The network doesn't care if it's a YouTube video data stream, a system update, or a .torrent file that violates copyright; it just sends it along. It's just too much information to go trolling for someone who is downloading the new movie "Up", for example. However, if you segregate content as in the above image, you can target your sniffing to only those users who have paid for access to that "level" of internet content.

Network neutrality is and has ever been the bane of politicians and corporations alike; a simple DU search for "Network neutrality" returns plenty of threads discussing the issue. I think that's what the treaty being discussed in South Korea is really about. The only way the treaty, as it is being revealed today, can possibly be put into practice is if network neutrality dies. I see this as a stealth attempt by politicians and corporations from all over the world to kill off the internet the "soft" way, under cover of copyright law, by necessitating the death of network neutrality.

I could be wrong. I fervently hope I am wrong. If I'm right, we'll all be paying a lot more for access to individual websites as soon as our ISPs are told the treaty is in effect... and that will kill outright our activism, our access to information, and perhaps even this very website, or Kos, or Salon, or Huffington Post. It really is that serious of a concern.

They can't sniff it all, but they can and will limit your access to the whole thing given half a chance. This international copyright treaty, if it goes through as it is being revealed today, could affect all of us in the end- not just violators of copyright.
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SouthernLiberal Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 04:03 PM
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1. There's another way it might work
And I think this is actually more likely. Let's say there are two websites selling books. One is the well known mega-mall of books Danube.com (or maybe it's named after an even bigger river). The other is a local independent bookstore, that has spent every penny they could afford to get their entire collection online.

My ISP may choose to say to both - fast access to your site by my customers is going to cost you!!! Give me $10,000 a month, or all access through my servers to your web site will be slowed by 50%.

Net Neutrality is not just good for people, it's good for business!
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 04:03 PM
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2. curious about that image.
i assume that's just a mock up and not a real leaked ad, right? because i can see the asshole telcom companies doing something exactly like that.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 04:16 PM
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3. It's a mockup someone else posted here a while back.
But for network neutrality, they already would have done so. That's what concerns me the most about this treaty- they can use the treaty, if it goes through as is, as an excuse to do exactly this.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 04:26 PM
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4. As a Content Creator, I've Really Had More Than Enough of Highly Paid, Jealous Techies
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 04:32 PM by NashVegas
Who sit there in college, or in their $100k IT gigs, and scream about how everything on the internet ought to be free.

If you have a solution to help keep professional artists, journalists and others employed w/out having to shill themselves on Twitter all day, I'm all ears.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 04:33 PM
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6. You know any? I used to get paid 80k a year.


Then H1B visas came along and I trained my Indian replacement who would make 26k.

Now I run my own biz... no tech jobs out there I can find that are worth it. It is a very stressful field of work.

I have not read about anyone ..or know anyone.. that says it (IP) should "all" be free. I think you may be confused with the open source community ..the GPL .. Richard Stallman.
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endeavourniche Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 04:36 PM
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7. +1
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 04:48 PM
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8. As a content creator, I acknowledge that I have been ripped off, and will continue to be ripped off
... doesn't mean I am willing to endorse trying to foist "responsibility" for monitoring all data traffic through their infrastructure upon the ISPs. Considering that most of the ISPs are the likes of AT&T, Comcast, etc. ... I personally trust those who would steal my content more than I trust the ISPs.

I'll tell you a little allegory. When I drove a taxi, it often happened that fares would run out without paying. If I add up all the monies I was not paid by those who ran out of my taxi, however, it would not even begin to compare with all the expenses foisted upon me by the police, for things like parking tickets issued when a fare opened the door and climbed out before I could stop somewhere reasonable... or when the police just plain mistook me for another taxi and issued me a ticket for something I had no part of... or when the police stopped me "because I didn't recognize you", and took my fare out of the car and drove her themselves after taking my cab out of service for having a bald tire on a sunny day...

The moral of the story? Those who are supposed to enforce the "rules" are often a worse problem than those who are busily "breaking the rules"...
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 04:27 PM
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5. knr ..and yet every day we get assualted with spam,phishing, and viruses.


They could shut them down if they wanted. Emails are easily traceable. When they effect a major corporation(s) they will catch them in days... (I love you virus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILOVEYOU#Legislative_aftermath)

Yet it's file sharers they are after. The ones doing legal downloads or not.

England *almost* just gave the big copyright holders permission to install spyware on suspected pirates. What a stupid idea.

knr
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