19 people shot at Ft. Hood

[Neecy]

Developing on MSNBC...no details on who the shooter is.

[rasputin1952]

1. I just saw that!

:wtf:

[Lasher]

2. Please post this in LBN

You can update later.

[underseasurveyor]

3. Oh noes :-(

Wonder what's up with that? Dare we even make a guess yet?

[hewitt]

4. Just saw that..

I was talking on the phone with a friend whose husband works at North Fort Hood. She is calling him, and will call me back.

[Hello_Kitty]

8. Hope he's okay! eom

[hewitt]

21. Thanks...

He is fine; my friend's husband works on a post 15 miles away. In fact, he had not heard anything about it. I saw the breaking news on MSNBC; but now two of our Waco channels are covering it. The nearby school is in lockdown, as one gun man with a high power sniper rifle is still on the loose.

[Neecy]

5. 12 wounded, 7 dead

[rasputin1952]

10. Yep, still developing...

one in custody at this time.

[redqueen]

15. Jesus...

. :(

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Yikes....

[cynatnite]

7. Any takers that this is PTSD related? n/t

[Neecy]

9. One gunman in custody, one on the loose

[rasputin1952]

14. They'll find him pretty easily...

that's one of the things they do very well...I'm sure birds are in thair already.

Update...soldiers in uniform, did the shooting.

[aquart]

11. CNN and local news...nada.

[lpbk2713]

45. Rick Sanchez/CNN is telling what he knows now.

N/T

[Subdivisions]

12. Collateral damage. n/t

[Neecy]

13. suspects in military uniforms

[seabeyond]

16. so, so sad. i already hate this story. nt

[Neecy]

17. second suspect in PX on base

Has a high-power sniper rifle.

[lonestarnot]

18. WTF!

[Neecy]

19. 2 victims are a woman and a child

According to local station - happened at the Post Exchange.

[YOY]

20. Well this is going to be important.

I am highly curious.

[Neecy]

22. Now possible 3rd shooter

[rasputin1952]

25. Yeah, just heard he opened fire...

but that may be the MP's firing on the the other guy as well.

[krispos42]

29. Ras...

...is it likely that soldiers with PTSD would team up and do this kind of thing?

This seems at least somewhat planned.

[rasputin1952]

38. No...possible yes, likely, definately a no on likely...

There are a lot of elements that are starting to make me think this is literally an attack. Lot's of civilians work on bases, delivery trucks in and out...this would almost have to have been planned...but by who/what?

[DangerousRhythm]

23. THIRD shooter??

ugh.

[maglatinavi]

30. Ft. Hood

I live in Killeen, TX and have friends in Ft. Hood. This is horrible... I don't even want to see the news. Calling my friend right away... Oh My God!!!

[kentuck]

24. Tea baggers ?

Possibly? Or PTSD?

[DangerousRhythm]

27. Three shooters doesn't sound like PTSD to me.

This just sucks. :(

[YOY]

76. Let's not jump to conclusions yet Kentuk.

n.t.

[kentuck]

81. You are right.

But this is the environment that the tea baggers are cultivating with their threats and their guns.

[YOY]

91. Yes. Yes it is.

n/t

[Neecy]

26. 3 shooters makes me wonder....

If this isn't a terrorist attack.

[blondeatlast]

31. It certainly points to premeditation and coordination/conspiracy.

Scary.

[Neecy]

34. This makes me sick

These military people and their families deal with enough shit as it is...this is just horrific.

[blondeatlast]

37. Exactly; I'm just monitoring online and I'm fretting for the victims (all of those on the base). nt

[rasputin1952]

28. This is speculation, but w/3 shooters, this escalates

far beyond PTSD, it goes right into conspiracy territory. Might have been a terrorist attack.

It's gonna take time to develop.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. 'xactly, and most likely internal terrorist

you watch, that they will not admit.

Apparently the target was a graduation ceremony and a PX...

[blondeatlast]

35. My thinking exactly. Domestic--how else could they get on an Army base? nt

[Echo In Light]

39. Precisely

[lonestarnot]

40. Where is Dick?

[rasputin1952]

42. Access is the key...

how did they get in?

I'm thinking this goes into an attack situation, would have taken lot's of planning and knowledge of the base/terrain.

[lonestarnot]

46. Infiltration?

[rasputin1952]

Possible, unlikely, but possible...

:shrug:

Update, MSNBC saying the 3 are military.

[lonestarnot]

Yes. Unverified and preliminary but if correct infiltration.

[blondeatlast]

33. Yes, indeed. Scary. nt

[Beetwasher]

36. Anti Federal Gov't Nutbags? AKA

Teabaggers?

:shrug:

Not to speculate or anything...

[Name removed]

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[TwilightGardener]

49. Agree. This is something bigger than just a nut.

[DeschutesRiver]

69. MSNBC keeps referring to a foiled Fort Dix plot

where terrorists planned to infiltrate that base by pretending to be pizza delivery people and then attack in some way. That was foiled before they did it, but they are using that as an example. Except they do say that it isn't looking like this is outsiders coming in to do damage, maybe because they uniforms and had access to locked up high powered weapons?

My most positive thoughts go to Ft. Hood soldiers and the families there that this ends soon and without more injury or death.

[rasputin1952]

80. They have to talk about something...

the FT Dix situation would come up naturally if one had knowledge...even just in conversation. Thing is w/news...they have to keep talking about something, otherwise, people change channels to get other info.

[Lex]

75. Glenn Beck and Rush have 'em primed and ready to try a coup d'etat here.

Speculation, but still . . .

[rasputin1952]

84. I couldn't even picture Limbaugh doing even one pushup...

much less run more than block.

Hell...the lardball would have a hard time picking up a grenade.

[Lex]

86. Rush doesn't have to be able to do it himself to get others fired up to do it. nt

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[City Lights]

43. Holy shit!

:wtf:

I've got a pit in my stomach...:-(

[hewitt]

47. I learned the shooters just got back from Iraq

That's what my husband's friend heard. Damn all the politicians: we need to take care of our military. We cannot continue exploiting them in two win-less wars. We are creating an entire generation of ruined lives. I am SO ANGRY.

[Neecy]

48. where did you hear that?

Is this someone who is on the base?

[hewitt]

64. Yes, someone in lockdown

[Neecy]

68. thanks

[lonestarnot]

50. Me too!

:hug:

[Dreamer Tatum]

51. Well, if your husband's friend heard it, it MUST be true

Please. :eyes:

[blondeatlast]

55. Tense situation--I understand your skepticism, but maybe it could wait a while?

Besides, there's honest to goodness freeping on this thread--maybe spend it on that. :hi:

[hewitt]

67. Think before you post...

[hewitt]

89. Your sarcasm is misplaced and inane...

I haven't been posting long at DU (although I've been reading it for years), but I know enough to read through all the posts before I create a stupid post with misplaced snark. It is apparent you had not bothered reading my prior posts. I guess it was too much trouble for you to take some time to understand our comments.

[cherokeeprogressive]

110. So you're not telling us what your husband said, you're not telling us what your husband's friend

said, you're telling us what your husband heard from a friend who heard it somewhere else.

This is the kind of fucking speculation that I hate.

[hewitt]

oh, grow up...

I'm reporting information from someone who is on the base. Again, read my prior posts. You are being a jerk because you don't have anything better to post. DU should be for grown-ups, not silly kids.

[cherokeeprogressive]

152. Let's see how the information from "someone who is on the base" worked out, shall we?

One man, who had never been deployed OUTCONUS. Not "shooters". Not "returning".

Seems your source was severely lacking in concrete facts. When I post, it's usually my OPINION, and never intended to be taken as fact. Unless I have concrete facts and present them as such, I hold my tongue (or fingers, as it were).

Silly kid I'm not.

[izzybeans]

52. delete

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/51107312.html

old news.

[MindPilot]

56. Huh? That item is from July.

[izzybeans]

61. yeah noticed that. My coworker sent it thinking he found news.

deleting.

[blondeatlast]

66. Thanks--I can't say I wouldn't have jumped at that too. nt

[blondeatlast]

57. Taht byline reads July 20, 2009? nt

[Dreamer Tatum]

60. Please stop propagating this old story. nt

[izzybeans]

65. Sorry sent to me by someone who thought they were reading new stuff.

They googled the story and it came up for them.

[Jennicut]

53. Everyone, Soylent Brice's sister is stationed there.

Think good thoughts for him. Saw that in the Late Breaking News thread.

[alsame]

94. And GP6971's son is there too. Also in the LBN thread. nt

[theHandpuppet]

54. Oh no.......

Young soldiers just returning from war only to die at home.

:cry:

[Neecy]

58. Now reporting all victims/shooters military

[lonestarnot]

63. Preliminary and unverified.

[arcadian]

59. Just curious

In a story like this, at what point do you think the President is alerted? It's certainly a National Security concern.

[lonestarnot]

70. Been done. Contact w Pentagon.

[blondeatlast]

72. If it isn't within about 5 minutes, I imagine heads roll. nt

[alsame]

90. MSNBC reported that Gibbs alerted POTUS immediately and he

has been in touch with the Pentagon ever since.

[Peacetrain]

62. They are talking that it is all military.. victims and shooters at this point in time 2:53 PM CST

per MSNBC

[TornadoTN]

71. Just heard that as well on a local news update

Still unconfirmed from official sources, but that's the preliminary information.

[Peacetrain]

73. Three shooters for sure.. it looks to be.. 1 caught.. 2 still at large 2:58 PM CST

[kentuck]

74. Possibly...?

A couple of people just got their orders for another tour in Afghanistan and this was their way of saying "NO!" Perhaps?

[lpbk2713]

77. Now the CNN drama will thicken.

Rick Sanchez just turned the story over to Wolfie at the top of the hour. :eyes:

[izzybeans]

88. He'll never be so happy to be in the "Situation Room"

"It's like I'm in the action, daddy."

[Mari333]

78. heavy deployments, troops who have seen too much combat action

they all go thru Ft Hood.
someone went crazy, PTSD, youbet.

[Subdivisions]

79. Can not confirm suspects military status...injured raised to 20. Suspect in custody is

in late 30s and it has not been confirmed is he is in the military.

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. 7 killed and 20 injured according to local coverage

[Odin2005]

83. OMG!

:scared:

[TwilightGardener]

85. Feel bad for everyone there--and they're still locked down with these psychos!

The other shooters are still at large.

[TornadoTN]

87. CNN saying one suspect "neutralized"

That can mean several things, but in most law enforcement circles that term is used for shot/killed.

[Neecy]

92. shooting started in a processing center....

They were processing soldiers to deploy to Iraq/Afghanistan, according to KB Hutchison. Also she heard 30 wounded, only 2 shooters.

[TornadoTN]

95. Sounds more and more like PTSD / fear of deployment or overdeployment

This is just really sad all the way around, if it turns out tot be the case

[blondeatlast]

96. With three shooters? I don't think so. nt

[TornadoTN]

97. I've heard two now - it's still possible as a contributing factor nt

[bobw999]

93. Wonder if today being Guy Fawkes day has anything to do with it.

;(

[SIMPLYB1980]

98. Well I'm going to wait for more detail before

I talk about this sad situation.

[Subdivisions]

99. Possible shots still being fired just reported by MSNBC... Picked up from

KCEN reporting possible shots being fired at a soldiers' residence barracks. Warning sirens now going off again behind KCEN reproter on MSNBC.

KCEN reporting TWO suspects in custody.

[Lex]

100. Oh no.

Oh no.

[TwilightGardener]

101. Not sure if barracks or family housing yet.

[Neecy]

102. Warning sirens going off again

[Parker CA]

105. Almost seems like new shooters are coming out on a time delay as to cause more damage over a longer

period of time. This is going to be very interesting to see who's behind this. Very scary.

[TornadoTN]

107. Yes indeed

Horrible situation

[Parker CA]

117. Really awful. Speculative reporting that 30+ injured now. nt.

[Subdivisions]

108. This is beginning to look like a mutiny or domestic terrorism attack. n/t

[TornadoTN]

112. Small cell of mutinous soldiers?

It could be a possibility. Will be interesting to hear more as they investigate, but that's the way I'm leaning right now.

[Subdivisions]

122. The "I'll kill and be killed rather than be deployed again!" kind of mutiny. n/t

[TornadoTN]

129. Or a "Mad at the Government!" type of mutiny....

Food for thought...

[blondeatlast]

115. Yes, when I first read more than one shooter that was my thought--and on an Army base.

That requires lots of planning.

[arcadian]

131. Army bases are not that secure.

It only takes about 8 seconds to get over a fence with razor wire.

[blondeatlast]

111. Oh no. nt

[bobw999]

103. Jesus...more sirens.

[alsame]

113. Unconfirmed reports that there is shooting in the soldier residence

area.

[myrna minx]

104. This is awful.

:-(

[Subdivisions]

106. 500 Troops securing base. Killeen SWAT and ten backup units

screaming onto the base just moments ago.

[reggie the dog]

109. what happened, we have no details here on French news, just that there is a shooting

[Subdivisions]

114. All hell is breaking loose at Ft Hood. Plenty of info in this thread. n/t

[Subdivisions]

116. Kay Bailey Hutchison says 30 injured so far. Told to her by a general on post. n/t

[kentuck]

118. The largest military post in the world for training soldiers?

That would be a likely target for a few brave but stupid terrorists that want to make a name for themselves, to target an area such as Fort Hood. I hope that is not the case?

However, if it were the case, I would hope they would try to capture the snakes alive? It would only strengthen their resolve to believe in their "cause" if we killed them, rather than capturing them.

I certainly hope that is not the case...

[Subdivisions]

119. Unconfirmed report: shots fired at Cuma (?) Village and Liberty Village. KCEN. n/t

[TornadoTN]

121. This is wide ranging and getting worse it seems nt

[Parker CA]

126. Reports now that the first shooter in custody is an officer on the base. nt.

[Parker CA]

120. MSNBC affiliate now reporting that more shots were fired at two other villages on the base.

Also reporting that the first shooter apprehended is an officer on the base. Leader of a small mutiny? Crazy stuff.

[bobw999]

123. Pretty sure I just heard that the man arrested is a millitary officer.

[Neecy]

124. I heard that, too

[TwilightGardener]

125. Wow.

[TornadoTN]

127. Just heard that - "A commissioned officer"

[Subdivisions]

134. I heard Army Major 'with a Arabic sounding name' on MSNBC. n/t

[Parker CA]

133. Reports that the suspect is a 40 year old male Army Major with an "Arabic sounding name."

9 now confirmed dead.

[TornadoTN]

137. To the media, Garcia or Sanchez is probably close enough to Arabic to report it

[Subdivisions]

128. KCEN: 9 Now Dead. n/t

[Neecy]

130. 9 dead now

Saying it's an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name in custody.

[bobw999]

132. An Army Major...jesus.

[TornadoTN]

135. The plot thickens - could this be an "anger at the government" type motivation?

We've head the Becks and the Limbaughs spouting about a military mutiny in the past weeks.

[TwilightGardener]

136. Holy crap.

[Subdivisions]

138. 12 DEAD, 31 WOUNDED. SHOOTER KILLED. Two additional suspects apprehended.

One contract police officer killed, four officers wounded. Additional suspects were soldiers and two were tracked to adjacent facility...per LIVE press conference. All killed and injured in soldier readiness facility where soldiers prepare to deploy.

[Parker CA]

139. 12 dead, 31 wounded. Breaking on MSNBC. First shooter killed, 2 others apprehended.

[TornadoTN]

140. 4 SWAT Officers wounded in shoot-out with one of the suspects

Per MSNBC

[blondeatlast]

143. This was planned out--it isn't easy to hit SWATs even if you are a sharpshooter.

Very creepy.

[redqueen]

144. I'm glad to hear two were caught alive.

Death is such an easy way out.

[lpbk2713]

141. Wolfie is as dumb as a sack of horse shit.

He was interviewing a military wife who lives on base and she mentioned that she had heard someone was arrested at a Dollar General ...

Wolfie: "What's a Dollar General ... a military installation?" :rofl:

[TornadoTN]

142. I really shouldn' t laugh at that

But that's about right for Wolf. So out of touch with reality and too anxious to be a media star.

[KansDem]

145. I'm surprised he didn't say something like, "Dollar General? Don't you mean 'General Dollar'?"

:rofl:

What an ass!!!

[tishaLA]

146. LOL. His brings toolishness to a higher level.

[Lex]

147. "Can I buy a vowel please, Alex?"

Dude is DUMB.

[seabeyond]

148. oh, i was feeling such empathy, sorrow reading down the thread... then boom

you made me laugh. just didnt belong. but fuck, what a dumbass

[kenny blankenship]

149. I heard that and laughed out loud.

I hope the neighbors didn't hear me, but I couldn't help it.

[lpbk2713]

151. Thanks for backing me up.

Some things are just beyond belief unless the same story comes from more than one source.

I had to stop for a WTF moment and make sure I heard what I had just heard.

[Subdivisions]

150. Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan..per MSNBC/NBC