Fundie Freakout over the expanded Hate Crimes law

[marmar]

:freak:


from the American Family Association, whose members we still must share oxygen with:



Did your senator vote for the "thought crimes" bill?
See how your senators voted and send an e-mail of complaint or commendation.

October 26, 2009


The United States Senate voted last week to criminalize thought by passing the so-called "hate crimes" bill.

This is simply the first in a line of morally repugnant pro-homosexual bills that are on the horizon, such as the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, a bill to repeal the prohibition on homosexuals serving in the military, and a bill to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act.

We must let every senator who voted for the "hate crimes" bill know that his vote will not be forgotten when he stands for re-election.

And we must let those senators who voted against this dangerous bill know that we appreciate and support their vote and will likewise remember their vote when they stand for re-election.

The "hate crimes" law not only criminalizes thought, it creates a judicial caste system in which those who engage in non-normative sexual behavior perversely get more protection than heterosexuals.

And it could put your pastor in jail if his biblical teaching on sexuality can be connected in even the remotest way to an act of violence against a homosexual or a transsexual.

(Click here if you'd like to see how your representative voted when this bill was before the House.) To see how your Senator voted click here.


http://action.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147487534

[FiveGoodMen]

1. "could put pastor in jail if his biblical teaching ... can be connected ... to an act of violence"

Perhaps it should.

[undergroundpanther]

4. bible is a very violent book

and it DOES advocate murdering people.
The bible god DOES advocate violence.

The New Testament states that God required the torture and murder of his own son.And it promises he will send to eternal torture all who do not accept Christianity.

Jeremiah denounces those who won't do the killings desired by the Almighty. He declares: "A curse on him who is slack in doing the Lord's work! A curse on him who withholds his sword from bloodshed!"

The New Testament's depiction of God is hardly more favorable. The book of Revelation states that in the end times, heavenly power and a sword will be given to a rider on a horse. He will be allowed to make men slaughter one another.

Another rider will be granted similar divine authority, including power to kill with the sword over a quarter of the earth.<31> Later, four angels and their cavalry of 200 million will go forth to slay a third of mankind.

This destruction is preliminary to Christ himself coming on a white horse, leading the armies of heaven. A sharp sword will extend from his mouth to smite the nations, whose armies will be killed by the sword.

These acts by Christ are consistent with his teaching that he came "not . . . to bring peace, but a sword." And they show that he, like his father, supports the most extreme violence as a means of addressing problems.


Moreover, enlightened societies realize that gratuitous violence, when supported by society's leaders and other role models, can promote more violence. Their example sends a message to others that violence is an appropriate means of dealing with problems.
http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/Violence_and_God.htm

[piratefish08]

2. The more the better. Build some more private prisons.

[undergroundpanther]

3. fundies are freaking

and if they cannot deal with equal rights for all human beings,than maybe they DO hate human rights as in other people having rights to not be abused by bigoted people because they have chosen to entertain and believe in a bigoted belief system.The fundies howl when anyone who is a non-believer, or a non-bigot criticizes their over-valued belief system.

Truth is,a belief system is not a human being. It is an ideology that exists in some people's minds only.

Sad part is the person choosing to believe is choosing to limit them self based on a belief system they chose to entertain as a 'reality'. The side effect of too many people socially choosing a bigoted belief is the person decides to let belief in a belief hijack their own decision making process. They do it to please the invisible god and church sanctioned human rule makers higher up in status in the belief system's social hierarchy.This belief taking over of a person's ethical decision making process leads to dark ages.Essentially one of the problems with fundies is they have given away their inner locus of control ,and their judgment of right and wrong ,over to a belief system outlined in a very contradictory and bigoted book,and the humans that claim to talk to god more clearly or have church sanctioned "credentials" and"titles" like pastor,reverend or priest..That to those who do not want to believe mean nothing.

Having a particular belief system is always a SELF-MADE CHOICE.This is evidenced in how often people switch religions,people quit believing in even fundamentalist beliefs ,often as they switch churches. Religion is a choice and individual makes for them self. Beliefs are not a thing a believer can force onto others against their will (even kids forced into parental religions abandon it once they are no longer parental chattel.Forcing a choice to believe that you made onto others who do not want it is denying others their HUMAN RIGHTS,and will.

Part of having free will is having the RIGHT to say NO to any belief system.That is what an inalienable right IS. Freedom is the right to say NO!

Having a belief system is always a CHOICE a person makes,as well as how to believe in it. Belief driven bullying is ALWAYS a CHOICE. Choosing to be a bully and intimidate,harass or abuse another person, who's not threatening anyone is a bad choice.Using a belief system to justify taking away others HUMAN rights is still a person who's CHOOSING to be a bigoted bully to others.

Believing in a bigoted religion is a choice.
Being abusive to others is a CHOICE too.
Denying some people human rights IS a CHOICE.
Being a bigot is a CHOICE.


Being born into the conditions you have are not a CHOICE
Being who you are,whether anyone else is threatened by you or not is NOT a choice.
Sexual orientation is NOT a choice.
Being born in the wrong body /wrong gender is NOT a choice.

[ChickMagic]

6. AMEN!

Preach it! I wish I could rec a reply.

[Q3JR4]

5. ....

And it could put your pastor in jail if his biblical teaching on sexuality can be connected in even the remotest way to an act of violence against a homosexual or a transsexual.

Uh huh.

Q3JR4.
Not really a bad thing...

[depakid]

7. "a judicial caste system"

:rofl: