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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:12 PM
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Numbers in VA Debacle Show that Dem Turnout Low Because Party Base Turned-Off
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 02:08 PM by leveymg
Don't believe the soothing words of the Blue Dog pollsters, big-wigs and other DC smoke screeners. The disastrous defeat of Democratic candidate Craig Deeds in the Virginia Governor's race was not a local thing. Not a flash in the pan, at all. The SCALE of the defeat was certainly not typical. One has to go back more than half a century to find a similar State House massacre in the Old Dominion.

The 60/40 defeat of Deeds is not typical of VA Governor's races. Nor, was the comparatively low Dem turnout. Put the two together, and you have a major event that some of the party leadership don't want you talking about. Here are the numbers that show what happened.

In 2008, Obama received 52.6 percent of the nearly 3.7 million votes cast in Virginia's presidential contest, about 2 million votes. He is now viewed favorably by 44 percent of Virginians, down about 8 percent. By comparison, Deeds polled only 815,000 votes, only 41 percent of the total cast on Tuesday, a mere 40 percent of what Obama received last year. That is a huge drop-off, even considering the lower turnout in the Governor's race compared to the '08 Presidential race.

Historically, VA Governor's races turn out somewhat fewer voters than Presidential contests, averaging about a 15 point difference. The turnout in the state for the '04 and '08 Presidential elections was 62 and 68 percent of the registered voters, while across the state in the 2005 gubernatorial election, turnout was approximately 45 percent. On Tuesday, voter total was about 3 million out of 5.4 million registered voters, 55 percent turnout, which is a relatively high for a Gubenatorial race. Historically low turnouts were in '97, when turnout was about 48 percent of registered voters, the lowest for a Virginia governor's race since 1965. Unfortunately, a disproportionate percentage voted Republican this year for state-wide offices, which is a big change from four years ago when Tim Kaine won with 52 percent, just about the same percentage polled by Mark Warner in 2001.

The last candidate for Virginia governor to win more than 60 percent of the vote was Democrat Albertis S. Harrison Jr., who in 1961 won 63.8 percent.

Lessons learned from VA - 1) turn on the base or the Dems will lose more elections; 2) this was not a typical VA election by recent standards. Lots of Republicans turned out, while Democratic-leaning voters didn't. The reason is obvious - Democratic candidates lose when they run toward the almighty center-right, and the Progressive base doesn't turn out the vote.

The Blue Dog strategy of steering toward the center-right is now a proven election-loser. As the GOP has shown, keeping the base mobilized wins elections - only a Progressive agenda, of the type that Obama promised, will mobilize the Democratic Party. He and a new set of Democratic leaders must deliver, or we are sunk.

If the Dem leadership continues on this course, we will lose again, and again, until we are once more the minority party in America. I am beginning to believe that is all that the DLC types know how to be or even want to be. They're Losers, yet again.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:15 PM
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1. Deeds wanted nothing to do with health care, he wanted VA to opt out
if the so called "people there" wanted that. However, the blue dogs won with Warner and Kaine. So does this mean the Dem base has gotten more liberal in VA? You tell me. That would be a good thing, actually.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:20 PM
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4. Yes, VA is more progressive and diverse than ever. What we didn't do was knock a lot of doors.
There's a good reason for that. And, it has more to do with the Health Bill that came out of the Senate Finance Committee than Deeds' ill-considered comment about "opting out" if elected.
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:16 PM
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2. K & R. I sincerely hope they start listening to their electorate! n/t
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:20 PM
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3. It was a double whammy...
The base was getting a little ticked off in the first place; and Deeds didn't help himself by making asshole statements like he'd opt-out the state even if a public option were passed.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:22 PM
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5. This is Virginia.
"Democratic candidates lose when they run toward the almighty center" is not true.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:25 PM
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6. Obama is the only center that counts right now. Deeds ran away to the Right. Ran off a cliff
with nobody below to catch him.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:30 PM
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7. My brother was one of those progressives who didn't vote in Virginia. He votes on
principles and didn't have a candidate who represented his.

I'm in the swing state of Ohio and feel the same way-no more better of two evils for me. If we keep picking corporate Dems, then they stay in power. We need to continue this message that the base in VA gave-of giving us candidates who represent the people over the powerful, or we stay home or go 3rd party.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:38 PM
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8. I voted. I even did some GOTV and election protection work, as usual.
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 01:43 PM by leveymg
But, I didn't take off this time for 4 months to work full-time for the combined Obama, DNC and VA State Democratic campaign, and one of the Congressional Candidates, like I did last year.

I knocked 4,000 doors in a hinge VA county in 2008. Not about to do that again until the leadership delivers better candidates and better legislation. Results count.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:48 PM
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9. Roger that Not about to do that again until the leadership delivers better candidates and better
legislation. Results count.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 03:06 PM
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13. I'm working to get our SOS Jennifer Brunner (OH) elected to the senate in 2010
and will work for her should she be the nominee.

In '08 I worked for Obama in the Primary through June both canvassing & voter registration, then moved to Voter Protection w ODP/Obama Campaign, ending w the Obama Boiler Room on election night. I closed my small business after the '04 debacle here to work on election investigation then correction-voter protection. OH SOS Jennifer Brunner earned my trust and respect for cleaning up the mess left by Blackwell. She'll make a great senator, but the corporate party hierarchy has their eyes set on a corporate Dem to run. :mad: No more voting for "the best of two evils" as in corporate D's. I did that in the past and regret my vote (think repeal of Glass Stegall, NAFTA, MFN Status w China, etc). I'm a principle voter now. I believe it's the only way to force them to offer up candidates that reflect the will of the people.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:51 PM
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10. Nope...Deed was a lousy candidate...I went to a few of his debates..
He was awful...
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 02:00 PM
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11. That didn't help.
But, you know what. Neither of his two Dem predecessors were a Ball of Fire on the podium. That's not everything, but you have to have a strongly-committed base, which means the Dems can't ignore the Left or we'll turn off. Money counts, but there's nothing more valuable than committed people wearing out shoe leather for you. That can't be bought - it has to be earned.
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 02:33 PM
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12. ...
I've already turned off, I'm sad to say.

Since I live in a red state, though, that doesn't really mean anything.

Except that any candidate for federal public office can suck one, unless they vote the "correct" way.

Q3JR4.
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 03:07 PM
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14. it also happened in new jersey
In order to get anything done, you must first preach to the choir. This time around neither state did thta.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:24 AM
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15. I Just Don't Think The Lesson Has Been Learned Yet
Watching Congressional Democrats in action is painful beyond belief. If the Congress rises up and cans Pelosi and Reid, then we will know that we've been heard.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 06:32 AM
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16. Primaries & off-year elections attract the party-faithful
Presidential years attract EVERYBODY..
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