Democrats, We've Been Punk'd, It's a Charade!

[theFrankFactor]

Democrats, We've Been Punk'd, It's a Charade!

I hate to be one of these "I told you so" types but this "Health Care" bill is going to be a piece of shit and any Democrat with any power in Congress knew this from the outset and so did I. Why? Well, when Baucus refused to hear about single payer alarms went off for me. How could someone charged with his duty have just forgotten or deliberately chosen to ignore the debate on single payer? He did it because he fucking had no intention of letting that issue gain any ground whatsoever! This fucker receives millions from the health care industry. Which also begs the question; how did this piece of shit get this job position?

I've been searching for information on how committee leaders and members are chosen and the best I can come up with is that during the Gingrich years, law making took a turn in procedure. It became the de facto practice to chose the outcome you wanted first and then form a committee to deliver that outcome. Which is exactly what Democrat party leaders have done with health care. Party "Leaders" have been having their pockets stuffed by health industry punks for years and the flow just became massive with the threat of real competition from a government program potentially as effective as Medicare.

These liars and thieves are putting on a show for us. You think Nancy and Harry give a rat's ass if you get the best possible shake in this deal? No fucking way! This isn't anything new either. The Democrats were neutered, impotent, useless wimps during the entire Bush administration just as they are now! Majorities have absolutely nothing to do with democrat power. They are designed to be nothing more than a placebo.

Our entire Federal system is lousy with corruption! This is a bipartisan issue without a doubt. The will of the American populace is a mere inconvenience to be dealt with using this cute little scam of good cop, bad cop--the Harlem Globe Trotters (Republicans and Corporate power) and the Washington Generals (Democrats and Corporate power). I welcome compelling arguments to the contrary.

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[seeker4ever]

1. Sounds About Right. Think Anybody Will Get it?

[Echo In Light]

60. "America has one political party with two right wings." - Gore Vidal

[bobbolink]

64. Excellent quote!

[sharp_stick]

2. Three weeks ago

there were a bunch of people here bitching and moaning about how they were going to end their affiliations with the Democratic Party if they didn't get a public option back on the damned table. Shit, if I had of printed off the ditto posts by the "outraged" I would have felled a fucking old growth forest.

Kind of funny how when the public option is now back on the table in the House and Senate I'm seeing one hell of a lot of the "outraged" posters going off about the lack of single payer.

It might be interesting to do a little searching to see if the "outraged" posters happen to overlap depending on their perception of where the health care bill is. I however don't have the time or really even the curiosity to bother.

[theFrankFactor]

3. I Have a Clear Prejudice, I'm a Liberal...

This whole thing is a scam as far as I'm concerned. A logical, weighty, worthy consideration would have bee the expansion of Medicare with some modifications. That this was avoided like the plague doesn't smell right to me. Mandatory private insurance? Really? What kind of a fucking ASS HOLE would even suggest such a stupid ass thing?

There is no logic and sense to this entire debacle. This is to me, a picture perfect example of how to fuck citizens in the ass and get a dozen roses and some chocolates for doing it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. It might have something to do with the fact that the public option that is now

'back on the table' is a worthless piece of crap. If we had started with an honest discussion of single-payer, people would have seen the public option as an unfortunate fall back position. Now, the strong public option is what is being negotiated away from, to this watered down, worthless, expensive, ineffective load of elephant dung that they are calling a 'public option'.

The PO, as it stands, is designed to fail, and that failure will be blamed on the Democrats.

[theFrankFactor]

22. Stop Making Sense... I said "DEMOCRAT LEADERS"! RUN, RUN, RUN, AWAY!

thanks by the way.

[leftofcool]

4. Ditto!

[Doremus]

5. I've said the same thing all along: I'll wait until it's done but if the PO is crap

I'm done with this party once and for all.

We hand them the presidency and clear majorities in both houses and all they can cough up is a hairball? They can keep it, I don't want it.

As I said, I'm withholding judgment until the final bill and I hope it's a good one for all our sakes.

[theFrankFactor]

6. So this is it huh?

Just like the Bush 20%er's.

Lowered expectations. Why am I not surprised.

[Subdivisions]

7. 'Which is exactly what Democrat party leaders have done with health care.'

The Democrat party...?

[theFrankFactor]

9. What the HELL does that mean?

Democrat, Democratic c'mon!

[Subdivisions]

13. No, YOU c'mon! It's the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and has

existed as such for 177 years. We put up with that Democrat party bullshit enough with stupid freepers. My intolerance of its incorrect use here is absolute and un-debatable. My insistence that you use the name correctly is non-negotiable. Is that straight enough talk for you straight-talker?

[Hannah Bell]

15. "democrat party" = the phrasing of the right. no Democrat who keeps up with politics would

use that phrasing, even by accident, because they know the significance.

[theFrankFactor]

18. Really? Well I guess all of my Liberal Activistin' is for Nothing...

http://YouTube.com/TheFrankFactor

[Subdivisions]

21. I am fimiliar with you. And I feel your efforts deserve respect. But, I WILL NOT

tolerate the use of "Democrat party" and I will call you and anyone else out on it.

[theFrankFactor]

23. I really think you give away your power by doing that.

[theFrankFactor]

28. BTW Isn't Democratic a verb? so DEMOCRAT Leader is more accurate or did Fox change that too?

[Subdivisions]

33. We are discussing the proper name 'The Democratic Party', not the Leader...

Can you just not simply agree to add an "ic" when referring to our party by name? Once that occurs, this particular side-topic can be laid to rest and we can move on discussing other things, like how I'm a fan of your show and generally agree with you?

ETA: In fact, I'll add this: I've posted two "FUCK YOU!" threads today - inspired by you.

[theFrankFactor]

40. No You're Wrong

'Which is exactly what Democrat party leaders have done with health care.'

In this context I used the proper form.

[theFrankFactor]

41. What a Waste!

Like this is something to suck up life time with! What childish BULL SHIT.

[Subdivisions]

45. The improper use of our party's name is childish bullshit. It's on you to use it properly. n/t

[Subdivisions]

43. Should be:

'Which is exactly what Democratic Party leaders have done with health care.'

Look, you know the proper usage of the name. You'll either say it properly or you won't.

[theFrankFactor]

54. I Think You May Benefit With Some Counseling

This is obsessive. Now, you're going to tell me what to write?

You should stop now. You look ridiculous enough already.

[theFrankFactor]

55. What Significance Do You Attach to This Issue in This Context?

[Romulox]

24. Nobody has ANY problem with Democrats advocating for the POSITIONS of the right

But heaven forfend that someone call it the "Democrat Party"--since the Party has no core ideology any longer, this verbal transgression is the only way we can tell "rightwingers" from "moderates", I guess. :shrug:

[theFrankFactor]

29. God, and it was a case of me just being honest and not contrived...

Such fucking bullshit. I really was happy when Obama won. I thought the wind would be at our backs for a while. It's not and my own party is full of the mirror image of Republican ditto heads.

[Robb]

8. I'll be honest

I stopped reading right after I hate to be one of these "I told you so" types but because, well, fuck that.

Also: is there any way I can find a link to your website?

[theFrankFactor]

10. Wow Thank You So Much!

I'm sure dedicated lameness is much appreciated. Have anything substantive to say?

[Robb]

19. No, but

I bet if I say it very large it will seem more important.

[theFrankFactor]

26. Not as imposrtant as you contributions to the issues!

[berni_mccoy]

11. I love it when an OP calls the HCR Bill in the House "Shit" and then post no facts.

[theFrankFactor]

16. Well, Now...

Yeah, you're right! I'm sorry. It's awesome!

[Bobbie Jo]

36. +1

...but his site is easy enough to find, no? :think:

[theFrankFactor]

14. MOMMY, MOMMY HE SAID DEMOCRAT!

Wow, so now not only does Glen Beck decide who Obama fires but the Republicans have made "Democrat" a pejorative term! Nice! What is this crap?

So, doesn't anybody actually wonder why and how Bacaus was appointed?

You really believe the Democrats(tic) have been pushing for the best possible outcome on health care?

You can actually remember the years between 2000 and 2008 and the performance of our party?

No wait, I said "Democrat Leaders"! That's it! That's too much!

OH, AND INCASE ANYONE MISSED IT, HERE'S MY FUCKING WEBSITE!!!!
http://THEFRANKFACTOR.COM

[Subdivisions]

17. Once you get the nomenclature correct, then we can discuss the issue. Got it? n/t

[theFrankFactor]

20. Mother May I?

[winyanstaz]

62. An issue where people are dying...and many more will die....

and you want to rant about the nomenclature before you will discuss it? Well who gives a shit what you want.....we have more important things to discuss than the spelling of a word......
Now back to the issue..
This is the final blow for me...I am looking for a new liberal party..and I dont care if they spell it New Democrat or New Democratic...I just want these backstabbing traitors OUT of power and our government back..FOR the PEOPLE and BY the PEOPLE.

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. K&R

:thumbsup:

[bvar22]

27. Well, Wall Street got their Trillion.

Now Wall Street's incestuous 1st cousin, The Health Insurance Industry, deserves a TRILLION too.

New Price Tag for HCR = $900,000,000,000.00

Enrollment in the "Public Option" = about 6 Million



Where O Where is ALL that money going?


"I don’t represent the big oil companies. I don’t represent the big pharmaceutical companies.
I don’t represent the Enrons of this world. But you know what?
They already have great representation in Washington.
It’s the rest of the people that need it.”
---Paul Wellstone’s Last Commercial



No wonder they had to get rid of him.
I'm a PROUD Wellstonian Liberal.

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. It's enough to make one want to move to France, eh?

Where they actually CARE for and about their citizens. What a concept.

[theFrankFactor]

31. Here People Riot FOR CORPORATE DOMAINTION

[dana_b]

35. the insanity

of it is mind boggling. Just how do the corporatists (of both parties) do such a great job of getting many of our citizens to fight for the corporations rights while fucking over themselves?!

[theFrankFactor]

42. It's the "HATE GOVERNMENT" Programming... Very Successful Unfortunately

[Subdivisions]

49. And the corporatists are ROFLTMFAO. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. No kidding! What tools!

It's disgusting! :puke:

[Cleita]

32. K&R!

[TicketyBoo]

34. I've been saying for weeks

that I don't see how anything can be accomplished toward health insurance reform until we get comprehensive campaign finance reform.

And that isn't going to happen. There is already too much influence, and the corporations aren't going to let go of it. The only hope is for very, very wealthy Democrats (such as Warren Buffett and Bill Gates) to recognize that this country is going to go down the tube unless something is done to help the vast majority of this country (the little guys) get an even break. We are headed toward slave wages and total collapse, and it isn't that far off. If the companies which are so greedy wring every drop of blood out of the working man to the point where he can't afford to buy the products they're selling, the whole country is doomed. And those who think they're so smart, grabbing all the taxpayer dough they can get, are NOT smart enough to realize that there is an end to how long this can be sustained.

[theFrankFactor]

38. So True

That's why I think if people could see the depth of the collusion and its insideousness we could garner more momentum in that direction.

[theFrankFactor]

37. Punish Me, I'm a Bad Boy!

What a crock of shit. I want this to be a Progressive nation, a place to be proud of the health care, educational system, our ecological responsibility and global responsibility and when I try to share what I feel is a deeply important issue that doesn't comport with what is superficial, fair weather placating, I'm some kind of right wing mole.

We seem to have no collective historical memory and no sense of objectivity. No room for self criticism?
Not one person who attacked my opinion offer a substantive counter. Why? Because I said "Democrat leader?"

[Robb]

44. LOL

Sorry, I really thought I was done.

[dana_b]

47. but your points are valid. k&r n/t

[PurgedVoter]

51. K&R

I was pretty adamant about it being called the Democratic party, until they created the Super Delegates. I was pretty happy with our party leaders being called Democratic Party Leaders until the DLC became the major player in Party Decisions. Both of these things altered the nature of the Democratic Party from being the democratic party as well as the Democratic Party.

There was a time when it was clear that a Democrat, who was a leader, was also, clearly, a democratic leader. I would like to see that day again.

[20score]

46. It sucks, doesn't it?. K&R

Good thing they can be as decisive as hell when there are wars to start, rights to restrict (PATRIOT ACT), or family matters to intercede in (Terri Schiavo). Otherwise nothing would got done.

[Subdivisions]

48. Improper use of our party name aside, I completely agree. And it confounds me

to no fucking end how Democrats can continue perpetuating the charade. We are being "led" by one gigantic criminal enterprise and we act as if we have any sway in the matters of our nation. What we get, if anything, will be whatever makes these fuckers richer and more powerful. Everybody except We, The People, gets a cut. No, instead we get to finance their criminal enterprise.

I could go on all day.

K&R.

[librechik]

50. You speak as if we had a real choice

I submit we are helpless victims who can do little or nothing to avoid the train wreck we are approaching at the speed of sound. We are forced to live through this disaster, and try to pick up the pieces later, after we are empty and there is nothing left to steal. We trust our leaders too much--and are too afraid-- to kick them out now, before the catastrophe occurs.

[theFrankFactor]

53. I Know How You Feel But...

I want to believe that we can do something. We need the crazy tenacity of the tea-baggers perhaps.

[librechik]

57. yeah--we used to have that, back in the day

But that was long ago and we were defeated. Now they mock us with their pretense at protest. They're marching to protect their corporate masters! Their righteous anger at being disenfranchised is being used by the powerful to defeat any REAL protests that might erupt.

I can't pretend we have much of a chance anymore--but if we somehow got public election funding, a repeal of the Gramm boondoggles and the outrageous giveaways in the Telecommunications Act of 1996...
but who am I kidding--they keep us too busy with worthless war, and trivialities like abortion and ACORN to get to the real business of rehabbing the country after the Bush disaster.

Yeah, if anybody but a few powerless DFHs were working on those issues, I could have hope. But the Dems have lost their social compass. We are all as confused as abused wives allowed out of the house for a day. What can we do that won't make our abusers beat us when we return?

I'll let you know when I think of something.

[slipslidingaway]

52. knr nt

[Orsino]

56. And yet...

...if a few more people find insurance more affordable, or less likely to be yanked out from under their families, isn't even a charade something we should pass right away?

[theFrankFactor]

59. No One Said It Shoudn't Pass.

[Orsino]

63. Well, the OP's opinion of the bill is that it is "a piece of shit."

I think that even a mountain of shit might sprout quite a few roses. I'm actually willing to put up with quite a lot of poop, if more people get help.

[laughingliberal]

67. The people who will benefit from this will be the ones who can afford it but have been denied due to

preexisting conditions. I see nothing in the bill which will lower premiums for consumers. Even that, I'm not sure about due to the low fines the private insurance companies will pay for denying people. They'll pay the fine and go on. No way to enforce the law for them. People living just outside the poverty level will benefit by becoming eligible for Medicaid. Otherwise, I see the rest of us, at best, in the same place. Those above 400% of FPL are on their own trying to pay whatever the vampires demand or pay a fine to the government.

[theFrankFactor]

58. LOOK WHAT THE DEMOCRAT MAJORITY WILL LIKELY DELIVER--->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HW0AyinHbY

[Ganja Ninja]

61. Yup they have us pitted against each other in hopes we won't notice

what's going on.

Socialism Ha! Don't make me laugh. They're going to mandate we buy worthless private insurance policies that won't pay off when we need them. That is about as far from socialism as you can get. Even then it will take 3 years to take effect. I don't remember how long it took the bankruptcy bill to kick in but I'm sure it wasn't anywhere near that long. And yet every day we go at it tooth and claw with the tea baggers over a mirage created by the media while they steal us blind and sell this country down the river.

Wake up America! Bring the jobs back to this country and stop the fleecing of the people.

[ihavenobias]

65. The problem is we need serious campaign finance reform as the first step.

But since most politicians depend on the current system, they won't touch the issue. At least not in any meaningful way. But you knew that.

There are no easy answers, but we gotta try.

[Kablooie]

66. I just want to argue that YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG!!

...


but I can't.