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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:12 PM
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David Mixner: President Obama standing on the sidelines in Maine and Washington was appalling.
Hope everyone is well, even those that insisted I am just an "Obama haturr", whatever that email meant, or the one who suggested I take drugs to become a happier person. I'll take EQUALITY, thank you very much! :)


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...it is clear that the political establishment in Washington doesn't understand that we no longer willing to wait until it meets their timetable or political needs.

President Obama standing on the sidelines in Maine and Washington was appalling. The failure of our national organizations and leaders to demand his involvement was equally appalling. The outrageous act of the Democratic National Committee sending an email into Maine asking Maine Democrats to call into "NEW JERSEY" instead of to support the fight against bigotry was unbelievable. No one gets to sit on the sidelines in an epic battle against apartheid and no one gets a free pass. If you want our support, you have to earn it. We are way beyond where we will accept a little bit in 2009, some in 2010 and maybe more in the second term. Does anyone think after yesterday election results and the upcoming 2010 election, Obama has the ability to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and "DOMA" next year? Does anyone really believe we haven't already missed a historic opportunity in the first 10 months of this year? Only a courageous fighting President and Congress can now help turn us this around and that we have not seen so far. Enough.

Finally, yes, as a community we have every reason to be proud. We raised the money, we made the calls, we came not in anger and we made the case. My hats off to the brave people, gay and straight, of Maine and Washington who fought in the trenches. We all are so proud of you and to be part of your community. You have no idea how much we love you for your work, dignity and honor. However, it is no longer acceptable to be viewed as brave, patient warriors in defeat.

I don't want to be a brave warrior, I want to be a free one.

Enough!

http://www.davidmixner.com/2009/11/election-part-one-enough-no-more-enough.html#more
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:16 PM
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1. Its all Obama's fault.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:17 PM
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2. Always.
My dog peed on my carpet earlier today.

That was Obama's fault too. That bastard.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:39 PM
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20. That carpet really tied the room together.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:22 PM
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22. You are out of your element, Pin King. The Chinaman is NOT THE ISSUE HERE!
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:31 PM
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23. Oh fuck it
Let's go bowling.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 07:46 PM
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42. When did Obama say he was going to keep your poorly trained pooch from pissing your shag?
I thought so.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:22 PM
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6. Obama is to blame for what IS his fault
You may as well accept it. He's no Democrat. Look at his cabinet and appointments. He's a Clinton Republican leaving us with no opposition party to corporate rule.

Take it as fact or deny reality, I don't care anymore.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:24 PM
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7. there is a new name for Obama everyday. Now he's a Clinton Republican
WOW
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:38 PM
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18. That's an apt description as any...
... too fucking bad if it upsets you.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:26 PM
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11. he would have made a decent republican. he seems like he is
itching to be one.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:38 PM
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19. Like Clinton, he's an outstanding Goldwater Republican, but smarter
These are not dumb men, and their betrayal is worse that Bush's due to that. Bush was a stupid idealogue and easily manipulated due to arrogance and life-long undeserved praise and position.


imho
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:58 AM
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26. Profound.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:19 PM
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3. DO NOT LEAVE AGAIN
I REPEAT: DO NOT LEAVE AGAIN.

:hug:

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:59 AM
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28. :)
I had to. Just had to fer a spell. :hug:
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Interloper Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:19 PM
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4. Politics is Local
Power comes from Within

Stop waiting on Obama to be your savior
We didn't elect him to do that
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:25 PM
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9. he hasn't done one god damn thing we elected him for!
jesus, he's black. so what? take him on his merit. if you're republican, relax and enjoy. if you're a Democrat, wake up and be concerned! You are still being betrayed by corporate rule and the undermining of democracy.


wake up please, please, please
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 06:51 PM
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34. Right there with you!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:29 PM
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14. This isn't about fighting for rights
or all the focus would have been on Maine. It's about fighting Obama because that's the only way to get the people of Maine to support a law.

Kooky.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:59 AM
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27. kooky indeed.
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 01:00 AM by Bluebear
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:20 PM
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5. Glad to recommend
Since I'm sure you'll get some sad little pom-poms unreccing this.

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:24 PM
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8. what a PLEASANT surprise!!!
:hug: :loveya: :hi:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:01 AM
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29. heya
:hug:

Just had to gitouttahere for a few months.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:26 PM
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10. Yeah, because who the hell care what happens in NJ?
Among the many things abruptly scattered into the air in post-election New Jersey is marriage equality, widely understood to be coming up during the lame duck session, and suddenly in if not jeopardy, in some doubt. The new realities are being sifted through right now, at hyper-speed actually, and two waves of meetings - tonight & tomorrow - all over the state will be a key part of the enormous progressive win that is still possible.

Marriage equality is an issue with broad progressive - and now broad Democratic - support. How it got broad Democratic support is a combination of factors that includes a wise strategy - largely cinched by Garden State Equality - to frame it correctly as a civil rights issue, one with appeal outside the minority population of gay people. And in fact these meetings have the broad support of Blue Jersey, DFA, Blue Wave, Unitarian fellowships, synagogues, ACLU-NJ, Unity Church and a rainbow of gay rights organizations.

Where everything lands in the pre-Christie world, I do not know. I'm not sure anybody does. And it's that abrupt uncertainty, and need to focus - now that we're actually in lame duck session - that makes two waves of strategy sessions all over NJ tonight and tomorrow emergency meetings.

Jon Corzine has made plain that he will sign marriage equality if it comes before him. But how will the legislature react now? One theory in the haze of last night's news is that legislators will snap to a "new reality" that the mood of the electorate has changed and voters will penalize electeds that push this forward, as they did Corzine. But the vote is almost certainly to come up - Dick Codey and Joe Roberts promised this - and it's equally possible that the State House will use marriage equality to show an incoming right-wing governor - who's on record he doesn't think gay people are suffering - a show of Democratic resistance. An early warning that they don't intend to be pushed around.

I do know that what mattered before yesterday, still matters today. I'm going to be at the Montclair meeting tonight, Hillsborough Thursday. These meetings are billed as emergency meetings and they are also the first meetings of progressives in the groggy hours after the bomb dropped.

link


Welcome to post-Corzine NJ.


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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:26 PM
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12. Big Mistake To Assume That President Bush Would Have Been More Supportive
The idea of saying that the President is responsible for the rights of the gay and lesbian community, and not the community themselves is troubling. In California, the No On 8 folks were simply no where in sight. Why should President Obama help when the No On 8 folks refuse to get out there and protest? Instead, I saw Yes on 8 folks everywhere.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:32 PM
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16. Yes, gay people are responsible for the institutionalized bigotry that denies them equality
right.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:34 PM
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17. I don't care what Bush
might or might not have done. This now is Obama's ship.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:02 AM
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31. Well you were not in Maine, We WERE everywhere. But the Catholic church was too.
But you are right, Obama is against gay marriage so I should not have expected him to say a word about Maine.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:27 PM
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13. Hey BB
Nice to see you!
Wish it were under better circumstances!:hug:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:30 PM
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15. David Mixner doesn't speak for me. I have very little regard for him. And never will.
Mixner was an appeaser for Bill Clinton at the 1992 Democratic National Convention when those of us who were there and gay along with ACTUP had to push him to push his cozy relationship with Bill over and over. He was a "friend" of Bill who just happened to be gay back then. He was a joke to me and the activists there in 1992. He arrived in NYC acting like he was the anointed gay messiah while the rest of us laughed at him behind his conservative back. Keep in mind this is just after a horrific decade of silence by Reagan and Bush with regards to AIDS. After all those years of our fighting for medicines, for clinics, for the most bare essentials, David Mixner arrives on the scene because he "knew" Bill Clinton and began to act like he was really someone in our community. He wasn't.

I was proud to see him finally realize how he'd been used by Bill Clinton like toilet paper and that he finally relinquished his paid position with Clinton and did the right thing.

Mixner criticizing Obama today after what he did himself is pathetic.

And by the way, it's good to see you back, Bluebear.

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:40 PM
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21. Damn right!!! I needs to be shouted from the rooftops...
Thanks for - NOTHING - obama - again...

now you can go back to your cocktail party with McGlurkin and Warren - I'm sure they'll be happy...
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:34 PM
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24. I was listening to an old Joni Mitchell song today "pretty lies" and
I started thinking about what Hillary said about Obama during the campaign...something about how his speeches were so glorious but they were just that...speeches. I hated her at the time for saying that, but now I think she was truly prophetic.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:58 AM
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25. All romantics meet the same fate some day...
Cynical and drunk and boring someone in some dark cafe :)
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 07:22 PM
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38. I love that line...glad to know another fan. Ms Mitchell is Canada's
national treasure and I keep trying to convince my Canadian daughter-in-law of that, but she just rolls her eyes. Too goth right now.
:)
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:01 AM
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30. !!!
bluebear! :hug:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:24 AM
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32. Nice to see you again! n/t
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:07 PM
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33. !!!
Tch, expecting a President to fight national organizations trying to deny citizens their civil rights. That's just crazy talk, that is. He's not Han Solo, you know!

Welcome back, BB =)
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 06:53 PM
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35. He didn't stand on the sidelines. He is very clear.
Marriage between man and woman.

Issues should be decided by states.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 07:02 PM
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36. Since he is on the record as being against gay marriage,
I don't think he would have been all that helpful:eyes:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 07:17 PM
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37. Welcome back, Bluebear!
:hi:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 07:28 PM
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39. I'm with you on this one.
So much for using the bully pulpit and being a fierce advocate.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 07:30 PM
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40. Obama does not have magic powers and can't do everything
Where were the people to campaign against the initiative? Surely they weren't just waiting for the POTUS to get involved in a state referendum.

Geez.

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:29 PM
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43. He's got the bully pulpit 24/7
He couldn't say anything like, "How could Americans possibly be considering taking away a group's rights in the Land of the Free?"

He couldn't take a side?

He was too busy for that?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 10:59 AM
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47. Yes. He was with Native Americans
There are many groups with many problems. How can what has never been be "taking away?" You're talking about gaining something here.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:55 AM
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45. Nobody is asking him to do everything. They're asking them to do *something*.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 07:44 PM
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41. K&R
I was just thinking about you, Mr. Bluebear.


I'm weary of being a second-class citizen at this late date and after so many promises. President Obama will be rightly ragged until he gets it done, and that's just the way it's going to be.

Clear up the military's DADT, reverse the DOMA horseshit.

Enough is enough.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:43 PM
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44. Thanks For Checking In, Bluebear. You've Been Sorely Missed. Hope You'll Stick Around.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:57 AM
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46. Kick for Bluebear.
:kick:

:donnymcclurkincankissmygayassemoticon:
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