YIPPEE?

[MNDemNY]

DADT- still stands

DOMA- yup that too.

Warrant-less wiretaps- oh yea!

Gitmo- still open, maybe by Jan., but not likely

War crimes prosecutions- not so much

wall street regulations- nope.

universal health care- not quite (not even close)

Bush tax cuts- still in effect.

Out of Iraq- not in this decade

Afghanistan- looking good! NOT

YES WE CAN ! (just not yet)

[Richardo]

1. What an original insightful post

:boring:

[Teaser]

2. I bet s/he waited all day to post that.

.

[MNDemNY]

3. As original and insightful as this administration has been.

Keep sleeping, it's easier to take that way.

[Richardo]

5. I'm sleeping now because I was awake during the campaign..

...and I know the promises he actually made, rather than projecting my own agenda on him.

[MNDemNY]

7. Right.

Do you always go big for the milquetoast candidates? , or are you a dyed in the wool corporatist? In any event, I am glad you are so damn thrilled, It must be good to be you.

[PVnRT]

56. Why is it that

just because Obama said something or other in the campaign no one is supposed to be critical of it?

[jonnyblitz]

18. of course you can't refute any of it. nt

[MNDemNY]

30. At least he didn't call me a "hater". I get that a lot.

[leeroysphitz]

32. Never the less it is an accurate post

[Angry Dragon]

4. Sent an email

Just sent an email to Obama and told him if he wanted to be a leader then he needed to get off his butt and start leading. Start doing the things he promised otherwise he was just another politician that wanted my vote so he could get a job.

[Orsino]

6. Centuries of failure are not undone in months...

...and certainly not by the relatively few people appointed by the president.

[MNDemNY]

8. At this pace the will not be undone in centuries.

[Orsino]

10. I dunno.

I'm seeing the small gains I expected out of this Congress, though not the galvanization I'd hoped for from this president.

[MNDemNY]

14. He has REFUSED to take a leadership role in passing critical legislation.

I do not understand what he is saving his massive political capital for.

[Orsino]

29. His political capital is not massive...

...when weighed against the vast forces that oppose reform. I think he is constantly spending his capital, in such small amounts that they don't count against him, as it were. This is very, very clever, and will pay off in the very long run.

I liken him to the ninja that passes the motion detectors by proceeding so slowly and deliberately that no alarm is triggered...and all the cries of "socialist!" are made to look nearly as ridiculous as they are.

[MNDemNY]

33. Yea,yea,yea, the fucking "chess game" meme.

c'mon. Tell you what, just defend this one: Warrant-less wiretaps.

[Orsino]

49. I can't defend that one, either.

I can't even come up with a sensible political reason to slow-walk that shit.

[MNDemNY]

52. But you are willing to "just let it slide"?

[Orsino]

54. "Willing" isn't a complete description of my attitude.

I know it's going to be a long road, that there is absolutely no way to get there right now. I'm glad to see tiny gains being made, but that doesn't make the rampant bigotry any less teeth-grindingly painful.

We could say that I'm resigned to the heart-breaking challenge faced by even the greatest president, and that only by playing multiple roles can the nation be inched, protesting all the way, in the general direction of progress. I am grateful that we have a president who dares to challenge the status quo, sometimes, and am convinced that we will be in a better place at the end of his term(s). In some ways.

It's not his job to get us there. It's our job, and always has been.

[MNDemNY]

58. That is why I "PUSH"

Some do not take to my abrasive style, but that is too fuckin' bad.But for them to call me a "hater" shows their ignorance.(or their complicity.)

[Orsino]

61. Yes. We should all be pushing as hard as we can.

We can't get it all now, but I advocate demanding it all, anyway.

[tabatha]

9. Give the guy some time

You are expecting him to drive from LA to SF in 30 mins


DADT- still stands
They are working on that.

DOMA- yup that too.

Warrant-less wiretaps- oh yea!

Gitmo- still open, maybe by Jan., but not likely
Obama is working on that - many have been removed from Gitmo.

War crimes prosecutions- not so much
Obama NEVER said he would do tha.

wall street regulations- nope.
They are being worked on.

universal health care- not quite (not even close)
The House will vote on Saturday; after that it is the Senate.
We are closer now than we have been in 60 years.

Bush tax cuts- still in effect.
Obama said he would let them expire. He never said anything else.

Out of Iraq- not in this decade
The military is on schedule in moving out of Iraq.

Afghanistan- looking good! NOT
He is trying to find a solution. He is working on it.

YES WE CAN ! (just not yet)
You are a jerk. Try again in 2011.

[MNDemNY]

13. LOL

Are you also a raging corporatist? Or do you just like it when milquetoast candidates do nothing, just like they said they would? How much more time does he need to do nothing ? Health care "reform" as it now appears, is nothing but a hand out to the insurance industry, "insuring" only their wild profits into the next century. His failure to pull back the bush administrations assault on civil liberties is the most telling. But, you are willing to just take it because Obama ran as a Democrat. Good job. gobama?

[tabatha]

15. Boy, you like to paint people with inappropriate brushes.

Obama has one of the most difficult jobs in the world - just look at all of the crap that is being thrown at him.
I believe in the boiling frog method to get change done.

[MNDemNY]

17. You know , with your method, the frog dies, right?

[jonnyblitz]

11. K & r. nt

[philly_bob]

12. REC for cleverness & cuz deep down lots of us feel this way n/t

[dionysus]

16. wow, you sure convinced me. now i'm as bitter about obama as you are!!11!11

oh wait.. i'm not.

[MNDemNY]

25. Funny.

You'd support him even if he advocated chicken fucking.

[dionysus]

34. nope. see, you falsely assume i love him as much as you hate him.

what i do love is how pissed off his being in office makes you.
:hi:

[MNDemNY]

37. There you go with the "hate" when all else fails, resort to that.

Defend his stance on warrant-less wire taps. Or tell me why you do not care about such an encroachment on civil liberties.

[dionysus]

38. when you post smears and flamebait day, after day, after day, after day.. yeah hate pretty much

describes it :hi:

[MNDemNY]

41. It's only "flamebait" because it offends your Obama sensibilities.

[dionysus]

44. no it's flamebait because the vast amount of DUers unrec shit like this, and don't spend all their

time trashing democrats. i know that really pisses you guys off, being a teensy minority and all. but hey, no one's gonna stop you from posting your sour grapes every day. hell, you can even do what some others do and coordinate on other boards and make little lists of DUers you don't like. it's a free country.

[MNDemNY]

45. You think that "the vast amount" of DUers are corporatists, such as yourself?

I think not.

[dionysus]

46. you used up a strawman on that. try again.

yes, the people who cry every single day about how much obama sucks, are a very small minority here. the loudness of the tantrums makes the threads visible of course.

and, having a memory, you backed a DLC to the bone candidate in the primary. kucinich is your stalking horse. you're a fake.

[MNDemNY]

47. Did you ever get beyond Poli-sci 101???

You are fucking hysterical.

[dionysus]

48. i see you have nothing left. good day to ya.

[MNDemNY]

51. Ive still not heard your defense of the Obama warrant-less wire taps.

Or is that a "red herring" :rofl:

[dionysus]

53. yes, bush's warrantless wiretaps are a red herring.

[MNDemNY]

59. I asked you about the "Obama warrant-less wire taps"

Do you support his position?

[dionysus]

62. i don't support warrantless taps. but you're playing games. you post a thread saying obama sucks at

everything, just to piss people off. a half baked OP with lies of course. purposefully designed to irritate and inflame. and you do it daily.

you talk about people who do nothing but praise him %100, but those people don't really exist other than a small handful. the truth is, you can't stand ANYTHING positive being said about the guy, or his appointees, or his supporters.

so you call anyone who disagrees with your "obama sucks" mindset a corporatist? really? do you even know how weak that is?

so again, i'll say this one more time.

i'm very, very glad he makes you miserable.

now go on, there's a lot of daylight left, and plenty more obama bashing you can fit in today.

:hi:

oh yeah, please show me where he's bypassing FISA... pardon me if i don't believe anything you say, unless you have proof.

[MNDemNY]

63. FISA IS WARRANT LESS WIRE TAPS YOU IDIOT !!!

Here is a link since you won't believe me. http://www.progressive.org/mag_wx0602408 Your ignorance and the ease in which you adopt the same blind follower mentality that many of us found so distasteful in the bush years show you to be either 1. a mindless robot, or 2. a complicit fool, or 3. just plain stupid.

[dionysus]

67. nice tantrum.

:shrug:

[MNDemNY]

69. You gots nuttin'.

:P

[dionysus]

71. you're full of shit man. all you have are childish insults.

[MNDemNY]

73. all you are worth.

:nopity: :shrug:

[MNDemNY]

84. what happened to th "puma" reference?

if you have a point, stick to your guns.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: you folks are soo damn predictable.

[dionysus]

90. ah, PMing with cohorts i see. you sure do fit the bill, i'll tell ya that...

what, you got your team working on his thread? i know i made one of their little lists a while back. tell them i said hello.

:rofl: indeed chum.

[MNDemNY]

91. No you wack-job, I read it.

[dionysus]

92. you're quick. i deleted that after like 5 seconds as not to offend your sensibilities

:P

[MNDemNY]

93. Unlike your ilk, I can not be offended by a post on a message board.

:crazy: :shrug: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :patriot:

[dionysus]

94. ilk? you can't even go with dreck? try harder :)

[MNDemNY]

95. Ilk is so much more descriptive.

[MNDemNY]

66. And so pointing out where Obama has/is failing is saying he "sucks"

That is your word, not mine. This is not yet Obama Underground, and until it is I will criticize him when it is needed. If you think that is "flame bait" or saying he "sucks" well then , that is your problem. Your "with him or against him" attitude is very bush-like. Go on now search for more of us "haters" and spew your bot-shit in their threads, as well!:rofl: :patriot:

[dionysus]

68. nothing but insults huh?

[MNDemNY]

70. ?

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :patriot:

[dionysus]

72. hey, act like a fool all you want. i'll see you the next time you post more horseshit.

:hi:

[MNDemNY]

74. I'm sure you will.

you seem to "eat it up".

[dionysus]

75. if you think posting smear pieces day after day is honest criticism, go for it.

[MNDemNY]

76. You seem to equate ANY criticism with "smear pieces"

that is what you are all about.Get a clue.

[dionysus]

78. nope, just the people like yourself who "criticize" 24/7/365. what do you expect when you post

"criticism" like that day in and day out? it's rather transparent.

[MNDemNY]

79. Bleat!

Time for you shearing. Should you not be elsewhere touting the AARP's endorsement of a bill that is not even completed, and has not been endorsed by Obama? Is that not the meme to be pushed today? You are sooo yesterday, get back in lock-step now, before you are reprimanded.

[dionysus]

80. i see you're nearly out of steam. you're down to the tired old sheep line. passe.

:shrug:

[MNDemNY]

81. Bleat.

sheeps is sheeps. sorry, pal but you is what you is. Now, get back to today's meme.
You know, the touting of the endorsement of the non-existent bill that Obama has not endorsed.

[dionysus]

82. what are you, 12 or something?

:shrug:

[MNDemNY]

83. Bleat.

:P :nopity:

[sudopod]

40. Well, that was mature. nt

[MNDemNY]

42. It is true.

[geek tragedy]

19. Hillary would have fixed EVERYTHING by now!!!! nt

[dionysus]

21. i know, even though she's DLC to the bone, by gawd, she'd have fixed ti all by now!

[MNDemNY]

23. In most instances, you could not have slid a sheet of paper between the two.

[MNDemNY]

22. No , other than (possibly) a stronger stance on health care reform, a Clinton administration ...

would have been much the same. And, she would NOT have had as much political capital. I wish Obama would spend some.

[geek tragedy]

27. Do you think it's plausible to suggest that Obama

could have pushed through comprehensive and appropriate and thoroughly reviewed legislation reshaping the way the health care and financial sectors behave by now?

[MNDemNY]

28. I think it is completely plausible for him to have taken a

leadership role in pushing real health care reform, i think it truly would have made a difference. To have started negotiations from such a weak point was foolish. I think he could now be taking more of a lead in pushing for faster implementation of and more enforcement of regulations in the financial sector, I feel his inaction on DADT is a slap in the face to many of his supporters. And the 2 biggest disappointments have been in his continuation of the Bush era assaults on civil liberties, and his inaction against blatant war crimes of the Bush years. I mean , really, warrant-less wiretaps?? Still?? Ferfucksake, that out to have been a "gimme".

[MNDemNY]

77. Crickets.

[Mari333]

20. shhh. 10 dimensional chess.

[SammyWinstonJack]

24. LOL

:spray:

[MNDemNY]

26. Oh, yea, I forgot. I didn't blow it for him, did I?

Shit.

[Hutzpa]

31. You should have voted for McCain/Palin

I'm sure we would have had all of that done by now.

[MNDemNY]

35. Jeez, that all you got?

If you can defend his stance on warrant-less wiretaps, I will lay off the man. go ahead and try, just that one issue. good fucking luck.

[Hutzpa]

96. Warrant less wiretaps is all you have

from that list of yours?

[treestar]

86. Exactly, then being unhappy and dissatisfied with virtually everything

would be easier to justify.

[Jennicut]

36. "Out of Iraq...not in this decade"...because it is 2009? And next year is 2010? And Obama did not

start the war in 2003, Bush did?
Also, if you don't like what Obama has done or not done in the less than a year he has been in office, don't vote for him again. Find a new candidate. There are always other alternatives every year.

[MNDemNY]

39. OK you did a nice job with that one.

Now let us hear your defense of warrant-less wire taps.

[Jennicut]

50. I have no defense. There is some things I dislike about Obama.

However, I am a realist and see no other alternative in 2012 and he is what we have right now. He will not push fast or hard enough for many liberals. He is slightly more moderate then Clinton. I think I said that 100 times on this board. You were expecting DK, I was expecting someone closer to Bill Clinton without the personal baggage. I did not go for Hillary as she seemed more of a hawk then Obama, especially on Iran. In the CT primary, it as Hillary vs Obama and I chose Obama.
You want people to argue with you so you can win the debate, guess what...you are right. Go have a beer on me. Obama is not liberal enough for many on this board but he never campaigned that way and he won the primaries being the same way. You want a revolution but we are lucky the majority of people even voted for Obama after we got Bush twice. And our Congress is pathetic with the blue dogs in it. We went so far to the right and now we are going back to the center. Not good enough, but that is what we are getting now. Keep putting pressure on Obama, keep making him want to move faster to keep the liberal base. Obama walks the line between having to keep the moderate independents and Dems and the liberal Dems. If he moves more to the left, he may still keep the indies if they see he is holding to principles. Gallup says the majority of people think he governs from the left: http://www.gallup.com/poll/124094/Majority-Say-Obama-Policies-Mostly-Liberal.aspx. We have a long way to go in this country to get people to even realize Obama is merely a moderate.
I will see what happens in 4 years. I doubt I stay home or vote for someone other then Obama.

[MNDemNY]

55. I also supported Obama in the GE with my time and money,

But I will not sit idly by while he fails to uphold even some of the most basic Democratic principles. He, just as ANYONE in the office gets no "free ride" from me. The fact that so many Democrats are unwilling to PUSH hard for principle, instead seem willing to take what is offered are why we seem to get nowhere. I have no time to point out Obama's successes,(and there have been many)instead I will continue to fight where a different approach is needed. Yes, a "critic" first and foremost. It would have mattered not which Democrat was elected POTUS, I would still be pointing to what I consider short comings. It is a waste of time to sit here and praise him or anyone else. This is not a fucking campaign, it's time to govern.

[Jennicut]

57. Like I said, keep pushing him.

You seem angry at people that want to praise him for any reason. Use the anger more constructively. Or not. I am only a poster on a message board. :shrug:

[MNDemNY]

60. My "anger" is reserved for those who praise him at every turn, regardless of Democratic principles.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

43. I am sure many of us will n/t

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

64. As Dr Cornell West Said on the Colbert Report Recently....

We should rejoice in Obama's electoral victory while continuing to hold him accountable for his promises.

It's pretty easy to understand, really.

[MNDemNY]

65. But if you do, you are a hater.

[treestar]

85. You're always going to be dissatisfied

Wouldn't matter what was happening.

[MNDemNY]

88. No, I just do not "fall in line" as you seem to.

Bleat.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

87. Stimulus bill which was about 6 bills and over 2 years in progress saved the US from total collapse

iraq drawing down, Guantanamo closing compared to Romney's proposal of bigger guantanamo, WH now more open to the public, active negotiations in Israel Palestine, a new effort globally for nuclear disarmament. Regulations for banks coming in 2010, DADT Is on the table and being discussed and addressed how to go about it in the WH. To say we're not in a better place is to deny a lot of things to ask him to fix everything in one go is unrealistic. We've seen more progress from this President than we have in decades in this short space of time and sure some of the critique is justified and has its place and I think it's fair to give a counter balance. These problems have been left by a succession of Presidents there is no overnight cure but patience is just one fair request he can make. Too much negativity in itself is one sure way not to see change as it removes motivation from people to stay active and as Hartmann always says, "get active my friend democracy begins with you."

[MNDemNY]

89. Please re-post in english.

I am sorry I do not understand what it is you are trying to say.