Why I hate Carly Fiorina (from an ex-HP employee)

[devilgrrl]

Well, she did it. After months of speculation, Carly Fiorina, ex-CEO of Hewlett-Packard has thrown her hat into the ring for a run at Barbra Boxer’s senate seat.

This is going to get ugly.

Speaking as a woman in high tech, nobody wanted Cary to succeed at being the CEO of a Fortune 50 company more than me. I was tired of being the only woman in the room at meetings, I was tired of testosterone charged work days, I was tired of trying to out-guy the guys. I wanted someone who could be the face of women in high tech; to show the world that, hey, a girl could do this. Carly was charismatic, a dynamite speaker and seemed tailor-made for the role.

Then she actually tried to do the job. Cue the screeching tire and car crashing sounds.

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“Train wreck” doesn’t quite cut it when describing Carly’s tenure at HP. “Epic fail” works better. During her tenure at HP, the stock nosedived 44%. She spent billions to acquire Compaq, promising big gains, which never materialized. She chased the last of the Hewlett and Packard families out of the company. She laid off over 28,000 people, and completely destroyed HP’s reputation as quality company to work for. She racked up over $100 million in compensation, including her $21 million severance.

Shit, I would have ruined the company for half that.

What has she done lately? Well, she was on John McCain’s staff for his failed presidential bid. She got sidelined, however, after she admitted that neither John or Sarah Palin was qualified to run a major company. (Because no one knows “un-qualified to run a major corporation” like a failed former CEO)

Anyone notice a theme emerging here? (Hint: FAIL) And this woman thinks she can take on Boxer?

more: http://open.salon.com/blog/dragonfly/2009/11/04/carlys_running_who_cares

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

1. Boxer is useless, but what is Cara Sneeds platform going to be?

Californian's don't deserve jobs, vote for ME!

[devilgrrl]

2. And how is Barbara Boxer useless?

What's the matter? Doesn't her consistently voting in favor of the little guy too much for you? :popcorn:

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

15. Boxer has been dead to me since she supported Lieberman over Lamont

Boxer voted AGAINST the war in Iraq, Boxer opposed the confirmation of Rice over her participation in the launching of the war but come 2006 it was clear Lieberman was as enthusiastic a collaborator as Pierre Laval and rather than endorse Ned Lamont who was also opposed to the war in Iraq, she not only failed to endorse him she went to Connecticut to campaign against him.

Unforgivable,

[Egnever]

45. You've got some fucked up priorities

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

46. yeah, that extra democrat in the senate would really suck right now

meanwhile Boxer's buddy in Connecticut is threatening a filibusterer,

[Egnever]

47. LOL

The fact that you think removing boxer would be helpfull speaks volumes about your concerns for representation from a democrat. Boxer has been sticking pencils in republicans eyes for years. Lamont was a tepid rich boy oportunist. Much like yourself I suspect so I can see where the admiration might come from.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

51. I want both of them gone, but certainly not replaced with Cara Sneed

Whatever Lamont was - he would be much more useful to us sucking his thumb in the senate than Lieberman is, and Boxer was among those who closed ranks around him in 2006 despite years of treachery.

[femrap]

59. I believe she had to support

him...religious reasons. And I think she went to Conn. for only one day. I remember seeing her walking the streets in tennis shoes and she didn't look particularly happy about it. But when AIPAC calls.....

[Jennicut]

60. That is your reason?! I would take Boxer over my Senator Lieberman anyday.

Is Obama dead to you yet, since he endorsed Loserman too? Never mind, Obama was probably dead to you before Obama won.
Boxer is a progressive and really, as a CT resident, none of gave a crap about the "endorsements". It had more to do with Loserman supporting the Groton subs then anything else. I voted for Lamont but old Joe won because of local loyalties.

[KamaAina]

4. How exactly is Boxer useless?

Feinstein? Pretty much. But Boxer? One of the most progressive Senators.

[Howardx]

7. i'll be voting for boxer

again.

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[frylock]

11. yep

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

34. Ask Ned Lamont

[Taverner]

39. The Senate's a club - get over it

As far as Senators Go, Boxer's pretty damn good

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

41. if you support Joe Lieberman, you can go to hell

come 2006 everyone knew who they were dealing with,

[Taverner]

43. I supported Lamont and sent him cash, but like I said, the Senate is a club

And you can go to hell

[Raineyb]

67. That seems to be the problem is it not?

That the club loyalties meant more than trying to get a Democrat elected?

So Let me get this straight. Party comes first unless the independent is a friend then the club comes first but never, ever allow one's principles to cause you to withhold support for the party's chosen candidate unless said candidate runs as an independent. Did I miss something?

[Metta]

12. Are you, perhaps, thinking of Feinstein, a DINO?

Now, there's someone I'd like to see sidelined.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

16. nope, both are useless

The last senator California had of any value was John Tunney, unfortunately he inexplicably lost after one term in 1977 to an eccentric republican Japanese english professor from Canada.

[devilgrrl]

19. So you're saying that everyone should just stay home and not vote?

BTW, thank you for not answering the question. What is it about Barbara Boxer that makes her useless?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

22. I think I was pretty clear

Supporting Lieberman over Lamont in 2006 was inexcusable, but ofcourse you should vote the democratic ticket - I voted for Gray Davis twice and against recall even though he was a bag of shit. I even vote for the garbage that gets nominated in Orange County, that doesn't mean I have to pretend their RFK.

[Ignis]

21. Oh, come on. Boxer is far more progressive than DiFi.

They're not even in the same league.

Sure, Boxer's not perfect--and that Holy Joe thing does stick in my craw--but I'll take someone with her voting record representing CA over a "business-friendly" :eyes: hawk like DiFi any day of the week.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

24. her voting record is admirable, her support for Joe is none the less inexcusable

Ricard Nixon did some pretty progressive things, but there are a couple of issues that just can't be ignored.

[devilgrrl]

27. Joe Lieberman or Joe Biden? And how is it that she should be compared to Richard Nixon?

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

33. Grave errors overshadow good intentions,

Throwing her support behind the worst traitor we have suffered as a party in decades at the expense of a credible opponent gives me no further interest in anything else she has ever done.

She didn't just stay out of the race in Connecticut, she didn't just put out a press release endorsing every incumbent Democrat - she went to Connecticut and campaigned against Ned Lamont on behalf of Joe Lieberman who had already been stabbing us in the back for four years without pause.

Nothing she could ever do would make me forgive her for that.

[Ignis]

28. Well, fair enough.

We disagree, but I applaud your consistency.

[Egnever]

44. WTF? Barbara is useless? You must be starving for

[dana_b]

65. seriously

she is the best representative I have here in California. She fights for the little folks and I am going to campaign for her.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

3. $21 million severance bonus? - that's not going to play too well with voters in these times, I think

[iceman66]

5. Should be an easy win for Boxer.

[Booster]

6. If Fiorina wins against Boxer, I'm giving up voting altogether.

[DainBramaged]

9. I used to deal with the power supply and test instrument division in Rockaway NJ

in the 90's. And she shut that down and off-shored all of the jobs. hatred was a mild word for her in that building until the doors were shut.

[Warpy]

10. About the only thing she didn't manage to do is ruin their printers

and I kept one of their hunks o junk for years, waiting for her to be ousted. I now have a little one the size of a white pages telephone book that is spiffy beyond belief.

It's really too bad she's a dynamic speaker, that means she'll be able to befuddle the morons.

Looks like Boxer is on my list of people to contribute to in 2010.

[Johonny]

13. For whatever reason it's believed Boxer is a weak candidate

I remember them talking about her being in trouble in 2004. The Republicans were going to take her seat. They had lined up the perfect candidate, indeed fighting to get in line to beat her. The result was not pretty for Republicans. I have no clue why Republicans think she is an easy target. It's not like the Governor race won't attract a lot of attention next year...

[Greyskye]

14. My BiL's head must now be exploding.

He works for HP, and hates Fiorina with a passion. He's also a pro-McCain/Palin conservative teabagger. :crazy:

[bullwinkle428]

61. I thought the teabaggers already have a primary challenger for Fiorina?

There you go...a ready-made candidate for your BiL to vote for!

[lyonn]

68. Perrfect! nt

[blogslut]

17. Well, she got a new campaign site re-design

It's more awful that it was before the upgrade:

http://carlyforcalifornia.com

[blondeatlast]

26. That's an IMPROVEMENT? Easy to see how she nearly destroyed HP.

Jay B. Uss. :eyes:

[indepat]

18. My brilliant, innovative, and highly productive nephew was one of Carly's 28,000 casualties

:cry:

[blondeatlast]

20. Have I mentioned how much I hate Carly Fiorina? And not so long ago, she had supporters here at DU.

:puke:

I think I have mentioned it about 73 times, but it bears repeating. I hate Carly Fiorina.

[Ignis]

30. Wow, really?

It's tough to find much love for Carly here in the Silicon Valley--even among staunch Republicans. Well, unless they're filthy rich, of course...and then they looooooooooooove her.

I guess I just can't imagine how any DUer could support Carly after the McCain campaign business. :shrug:

[blondeatlast]

32. The '08 primaries==yes, there was a cadre of Carly card carriers. It was disgusting.

My ex-husb did loads of business with HP; my disgust about her started early on during the layoffs.

[Ignis]

63. I wish I could feign surprise...

But I'll settle for disappointment. :(

[HughBeaumont]

53. I can't imagine how anyone can support someone who fired 28,000 workers.

Really, was that her entire management "strategery"?

[Ignis]

62. That's one of the problems with corps today:

ANYTHING that lowers costs is considered a good thing.

Forget the mid-term goals, forget the long-term strategy. Boards just want to see lower costs, because institutional investors like lower costs, and that'll drive up stock prices, thus benefiting the board members.

You know it's bad when corporations aren't even interested in the long con anymore.

[Hippo_Tron]

23. Lets see, first HP and then the McCain campaign, seems everything Carly touches goes to shit

Boxer should win by double digits.

[KatyMan]

54. Maybe she's a distant relative

of the Bush family?

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

25. she ran a company into the ground,

tossed 28,000 people out on the streets AND took home 121 million? God bless America!

[RagAss]

29. Yup...Turned a diamond into a turd !!!

[upi402]

31. CEO's do it like that

And get paid.

And the argument for the obscene pay is that it attracts the best and brightest... so they deserve it.
And this justification comes from "dems" almost as often as repubs.

All they can do is abuse their power over workers... the now powerless. And I thank Clinton as much as Republicans for this imbalance and all it has brought.

[Odin2005]

35. This is the Mrs. Philosophy Degree CEO, right?

:rofl:

[Ignis]

37. Oh thanks, I had forgotten that nugget.

Definitely worth a :rofl:

[Odin2005]

38. Yep, what a joke this woman is!

[blondeatlast]

52. Wow--I had forgotten about that. I'll call your *roffle* and raise you two:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[David Zephyr]

36. Kick.

Thanks for the link and your comments! Someday we will all have to hook up again, but not at El Coyote. How crazy was that? We had no idea.

Kicking this up as it deserves more attention.

[devilgrrl]

48. Thanks!

Yeah, the El Coyote... :wtf:

:hug:

[Canuckistanian]

40. On a professional note, I'm SO GLAD Agilent split from HP

Hewlett-Packard was the NUMBER ONE electronic measuring equipment company. I spent my early career marveling at HP's expertise and innovation.

Back in '98 or so, they became Agilent, breaking with HP.

Agilent is still around, Thank FSM. But if Carly Fiorina had had her hooks into the instrument side, she'd have killed that too.

[Tesha]

58. Hear, hear!

"The HP Way" apparently was part of the package that was divested
along with Agilent. It's a shame they didn't get to keep the name as well;
Carly's operation could have been called Carly's Crappy Computer Corp
or some such.

When she resigned, folks were heard in the halls of HP singing "Ding
Ding the Witch is Dead" only they didn't say "witch".

Tesha

[cascadiance]

42. The Ipod might have been good for Apple and a good product, but Carly really f'd HP up...

... when she screwed HP's existing products with a late "OEM" agreement with Apple on this, which was totally incompatible with Windows at that point, and therefore was held up as a product to release until that came out, screwed up third party relationships with HP's existing portable unit's partners like the one I worked for (Musicmatch), and I think both HP folk as well as those worked with them on their product really felt screwed by her putting her nose in and micromanaging things she shouldn't have in that instance. She didn't learn from the "Osborne" effect on product releases with this crappy decision on her part.

http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/41446/opinion-hps-ipod-moves-could-hurt-the-industry.html

[Liberal_in_LA]

49. She was on the radio today - seems she was hinting she has a history of nonvoting like Whitman

Was trying to head off controversy over it. what's with these rich folks not voting then expect us to put them in office?

[Liberal_in_LA]

50. She just finished a bout of chemo, must have top notch health care, unlike the 28K she laid off

[suegeo]

55. Is she the one who spied on the board?

She hired private eyes, or had some toady spy on a couple of board members.

As if layoffs and outsourcing aren't enough to cause a massive rejection and bad rash with regard to her...

On Edit: I guess Dunn was the one who spied on the board. Carly hired goons to grill members of the board to determine who leaked info. And then was ousted. She will fit right in with the Republicans. Everything she touches turns to shyte, and harms countless others...

[blondeatlast]

56. The very one. A mean, nasty, ugly-hearted piece of work, she is. nt

[ChickMagic]

57. Fail? Really? Three words...

George Walker Bush. He failed at every single thing he attempted,
but excelled at looting the treasury, destroying our military and
infrastructure and leaving a smoking heap where America used to be.

[blondeatlast]

64. On a pre-POTUS crappy accomplishment scale, Fiorina beats GWB by half a length.

And he couldn't even manage a baseball team.

She laid off 28,000 people and the company still almost tanked.

I'm not certain what your point is.

[ChickMagic]

69. Only that people seem to be hypnotized

when someone is packaged as a "leader" regardless of their
actual ability. I hope she gets the boot.

[dana_b]

66. my friend lost her job at HP

due to Carly. She even had to go to Costa Rica to teach the two non-Engish speaking people (who were hired to take over her job) before she was booted out the door.

[backscatter712]

70. Another former HP employee who knew Fiorina all too well. BREAK THAT BITCH!!!

When HP employees learned that Fiorina was leaving HP, they were literally jumping for joy in the cubicles and singing Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead!

It is my solemn duty as a former HP employee to do what is in my power to ruin Fiorina's career before it can get off the ground...