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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:30 PM Original message |
Hamsher: Lessons Learned in VA, CA and NJ: Is Rahm Emanuel Orchestrating 2010 Democratic Massacre? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R -- Fuck you Rahm, you corporate pig. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. +1 K&R -- Fuck you Rahm, you corporate pig. Tell Obama kick him to the curb |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Obama won't because he's corporate just like Rahm. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Maybe we can make him do the right thing |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I've pretty much given up on that thought. The majority on the "left" are still in love with their |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. The majority of his support seems to come from 'the Center is the way' crowd. It is hard to see how |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
71. Many of the people I know who are enmoured with the image of Obama are not of the left persuassion |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
97. No, the majority on the left (progressives) do NOT love him. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:53 AM Response to Reply #97 |
112. When will these Democratic politicians learn that the more liberal they are |
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. Why would Obama do that. Obama likes the way Rahm thinks. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
76. How about because he wants to be re-elected? |
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pmorlan1 (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. How about because he wants to be re-elected? |
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Golden Raisin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:03 AM Response to Reply #80 |
109. My whole life (and I'm not young anymore) |
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pmorlan1 (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Sorry |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
103. People are starting to refer to the Rahm Emanuel Obama presidency. He forgets |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Obama forgets...no one voted for Rahm for president or even advisor. |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. There's a good reason few people like him.He stands for nothing but campaign donations |
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Techn0Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
107. What ... are you two getting the same talking points.... |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
33. WHY WHY WHY |
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Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. That scum was never "Change" |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:02 PM Original message |
The President disagrees |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
61. are you trying to bait her into getting in trouble? |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
120. I'm sick of everyone |
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Segami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
122. Its not fair to ALL PIGS being associated with Rahm. Obama needs to question and address the advice |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. Rahm is about ensuring a corporate Democratic party, even at the expense of winning elections |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. You hit it out of the park with that assessment |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
102. agreed. nt |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. Jane, I agree completely! |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
5. The above list leaves out one important fact - Rahm is a DLC member |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. "Obama isn't DLC, he just put Rahm in there because he gets things done! Go team!!!" |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. You seem to have misinterpreted my post |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. oh no, I was just pretending to be one of those apologists. No worries, I knew what you were saying. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
68. O was a DLC'r before he wasn't nt |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. Obama is responsible who he chooses to be on his team period /nt |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
72. Except when he isn't... such is the magic of his 3D chess skills |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
67. Yeah you are right...Its the things he is getting done |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
77. What has Obama done that is not DLC? |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. I'm still hoping Obama placed Rahm to diffuse his power, just like he did w Hillary. |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. See post #17 |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
73. How does adding to his power defuse his power? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
10. Jane Hamsher is Spot On. Rahm is a poison pill, way back to Clinton days. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Obama is not naive. He didn't just pick Rahm innocently. He picked Rahm for a reason. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I don't think he is "naive", I think it has more to do w/their Chicago ties. And it's a blind spot. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. i think it has more to do with the big (chicago & elsewhere) money that |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Someone needs to ask Obama point blank about his University of Chicago days. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. he yammers about how bad "protectionism" is.... |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
64. UofC Law School makes Friedman |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. Rahm tried to take credit for Dean's work in 2006... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. the media did give him credit for Dean's work |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
114. That still pisses me off |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #114 |
126. Rahm and media ho for the same pimp, what would you expect? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. he's not incompetent, he's corporate compliant first and foremost even when it means losing |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
14. kick |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
19. silly stuff. And sorry, Janie but beltway wisdom was overwhelmingly |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
46. He was, but if he had come out against a public |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
21. LINK: send that Rahm resume to the White House |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. yurbud |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
78. Excellent letter. It should be in the NYT as they probably |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
85. great letter!! |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
25. Here's one swing state voter that will refuse to vote for corporate candidates even w D's after |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
26. Hear!!! Hear!!! Ms. Firedoglake is my HERO. Rec. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
27. if the democrats don't give the people who elected them what they want, rahm won't matter |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
30. So now Rahm is the real reason we lost in 1994? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
50. One of many contributing factors with a common theme |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Democrats learned the wrong lessons in the 80, 84, & 88 elections |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
88. "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
96. You can also include 2000 under : |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #96 |
125. that was one thing they captured perfectly in HBO's RECOUNT |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
31. The fact that Obama really wanted Rahm worries me |
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Cheney Killed Bambi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
32. Most of those links are illegitimate |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
86. facepalm |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
34. Yep, Rahm is the new Rove |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
36. Rahm was NOT the architect of NAFTA |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Read this-he certainly had his grimey hand in it: |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. That just repeats the charge without providing any actual evidence. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Here's a PBS interview w rahm from June, 2000: |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
60. Completely untrue |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
40. Yep. Another Jane Hamsher truth moment. |
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philly_bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
41. Like Hamsher, I am disappointed by Rahm Emanuel's leadership so far. |
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cadmium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
42. I think it has less to do with issues than it does with |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
43. Maybe someone should tell the president to neuter Rahm or maybe show Rahm the door |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
44. Excellent assessment! |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
47. Sounds like Jane found her Emmanuel Goldstein. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. I don't think it's tough for him to sleep at all as he doesn't see |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
48. We didn't lose Va and NJ because Rahm, but if you need your scape goat go for it |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Well, I agree with your last sentence. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Dist 23, in my view was very significant. The palin/becks/teabaggers are not |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Yes, very significant. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
55. And we wonder why Obama's promises are shit........ |
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Liberal_Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
58. K & R |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
62. Rahm Emanuel did no favors for Alaska |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
63. K&R! Thank you, Jane! n/t |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
65. Rahm will turn Obama into a one-term Carter |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. But he'll keep the Democratic Party corporate--which is more important in the long term . |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. A lot of people dismiss Carter's legacy as just being an one term bomb |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #74 |
100. thank you. who, after all, started a lot of the deregulation--Carter |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #74 |
130. Count me as agreeing with you and I will add to it |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
69. Rahm puts his own self-agrandizement ahead of what is best for the ocutnry. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
70. !... K&R |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
75. The Blue Dogs buy into the meme that independents decide elections. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #75 |
124. The numbers in the VA Gov race support what you say. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Please post your message separately. It should be read by more DUers. |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
79. K&R |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
81. fuck you rahm and sadly fuck you obama |
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Techn0Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:53 AM Response to Reply #81 |
108. I keep wondering .... |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
83. The Obama's got a dog. This is the "change" we're supposed to be fighting for |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
84. Wow, Rahm is the "anti-Howard Dean" |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
87. Does Jane Hamsher post here at DU? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
89. Dear Jane, it certainly looks like the all powerful Rahm |
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janet118 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
90. Tell me again why he's Obama's Chief of Staff . . . |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
91. If Dems organized a protest against Rahm I would be there - I would march. With a sign. And I |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
92. It seems that we can look back and almost create the meeting that must have been held |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
93. Rahm's not DCCC head anymore, so no. I don't think he is. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
94. Who needs Karl Rove when you have Rahm Emmanuel? |
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invictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
95. K&R |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
98. He is such a slimeball |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
99. Rahm is a Republican mole |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
101. Time to END the Rahm-per-room in the White House! |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
106. LOL The stupid it hurts! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:06 AM Response to Original message |
110. The same people try to defend him or derail the thread every time |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:12 AM Response to Original message |
111. K & R The Goldman Sachs admin has been exposed lets see if they change their wicked ways! |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
113. Rahm's the chief of staff. Congressional Dems and the DNC will determine 2010. |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
115. Liberals? To back of bus. This admin is for rich conservatives . -nt |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
116. 2007: Truthout Special Report: Democratic House Officials Recruited Wealthy Conservatives |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
117. Oh please. Rahm is just an easy scapegoat. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
118. The bullet about Garamendi/Tauscher is just wrong. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
119. K&R. //nt |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
121. Creigh Deeds & Bill Owens were both lukewarm about a public option, |
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DesertDiamond (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
123. Which makes me ask again: WTF is he doing in this administration??? Get him OUT!!!! |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
128. Some perspective here on CA |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
129. Real Democrats will win in 2010. DLC phonies will not. |
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