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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:13 AM
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"I think the President believes this is an issue that's best addressed by the states."
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 09:14 AM by FLAprogressive
This is a quote from Robert Gibbs when asked about gay marriage.

Well guess what, we've left it to the states.....look where it's gotten us.

Maybe it's time for our gutless president to take a stand on something for a change.
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Shrek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:16 AM
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1. It's amazing what qualifies as fierce advocacy these days. n/t
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:22 AM
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2. I've already seen several threads blaming Obama for the failure to defeat state measures.
Which, it seems to me, lets individuals in those states and throughout the nation who cared a great deal about these...

...off the hook.

Of course the president could do more.

But there's plenty of blame to go around.

Prop H8 passed in CA in large part due to complacency by progressives.

Shall we blame candidate Obama for that?

Why didn't he come out more strongly then??? :sarcasm:
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:24 AM
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5. so when the fierce advocate doesn't fiercely advocate we should be OK with that
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:00 AM
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12. No.
I just hope nobody shifts blame so far as to give up. The responsibility to get things done begins and ends with us.

FWIW, he could be a lot more supportive and I don't really get why he hasn't been able or willing to find the words that would do that without compromising his personal position on same-sex marriage.

:shrug:
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:55 AM
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21. He's Already Compromised His "Personal Position" on Same-Sex Marriage.
ala John Kerry, he was "for it before he was against it".

In 1996, Barack Obama was completely fine with same-sex marriage, and vowed to fight for it.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:36 AM
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8. a recording from obama stating that he was against gay marriage was used
to defeat prop8 in california

so yes, i blame obama partly for that as well.

naturally, jon & jane citizens who actually voted are very much to blame. however holdig our leaders to task, is what we should be doing.


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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:57 AM
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10. If you wanna talk about quotes... soundbites...
Gavin Newsom's "whether you like it or not" statement was used to great effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKn5LNhNto

So sad, because he was right in so many ways but it wasn't going to play state-wide.

I know Obama could be a lot more vocal on the issue, even if his personal definition of marriage prevents explicit support, he could be urging citizens to take up the issue with passion within their states.

And I hate that it divides us.

It's fine to criticize as long as we don't shift blame to the extent that we abdicate responsibility for getting things done.

Take care,

NYC_SKP

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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:59 AM
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11. It's called leadership.
You might not be familiar with it because you haven't seen him show it.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:04 AM
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13. No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
Proposition H8 passed because there were MASSIVE amounts of money coming in from out of state by the RCC and the Mormons AND it was preached from the pulpit in almost every church in this state that the Invisible Man in the Sky was going to damn The Faithful to hell if they voted "No" on H8. Complacent, my ass! Most of us worked TIRELESSLY to ensure that piece of offal didn't pass. And, why DIDN'T Obama come out strongly against Prop. 8??????? Maybe we should have left slavery up to the states as well and President Change would have been busy cleaning someone's toilet instead of running for the highest office in the land.
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TokenQueer Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:12 AM
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15. Yes.
The proponents for prop used Obama's voice in robocalls to African Americans. He said nothing to refute this tactic. He shares the blame for the prop 8 result.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:18 AM
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28. fuck it, let them stew in outrage, you know they will anyways.
:shrug:
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:57 AM
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34. Being a second class is no fun.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:06 PM
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35. no, it's not. so blame the voters in maine who did this. i swear if an asteroid vaporized the planet
you guys would blame obama for it.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:16 PM
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44. He could Lead on this issue. but insteads he sits on the fence and daggles
carrots most of the time.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:06 AM
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49. God forbid your presidential binky has to take responsibility for anything
Gee, now who does that sound like? :eyes:
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:08 PM
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36. Let's take your marriage away
I want to watch you "stew in outrage"....and I'll enjoy every fucking second of it.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:12 PM
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40. argh. I guess I am not in the mood for you O-FUNDIES today
either. :puke: i best go back to raking leaves now.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:17 PM
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46. I did that yesterday and got them in piles --but it rained
for several hours last night. NOW they are wet and soggy. No fun. so I am airing them out. te he. fun time today.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:23 AM
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3. Well, that 'worked' for slavery and, now, it's 'working' for abortion rights. nt
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:24 AM
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TRANSLATION: NO LEADERSHIP FROM OBAMA.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:01 AM
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24. That is being charitable.
Another way to put it is: Obama is content to allow this discrimination to continue.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:54 AM
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33. Yours is more specific. and I agree with it.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:24 AM
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4. I've looked at history and think that's a bad idea.
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 09:24 AM by mmonk
I know if you belonged to any religion other than Protestant Christian, you couldn't hold office in some states. Another adoption of Republican politics for the weak ass Democrats.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:27 AM
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6. There are no words for how much I despise Obama anymore. This is one of the reasons why.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:34 AM
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7. you despise obama because the residents of maine voted to-- well, you hate obama for existing so it
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 09:43 AM by dionysus
doesn't surprise me. :shrug:
let me get this straight, you're not blaming the citizens of maine, who voted to do this... it's all the presidents fault. amazing.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:12 AM
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25. I despise Obama because he is a total coward on gay rights. A total coward.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:15 AM
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27. you despise him for everything. enjoy the next 7 years.
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 11:19 AM by dionysus
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:10 PM
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37. Don't take the gay vote for granted
Without us he may not have 7 more years...
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:12 PM
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39. i don't like what went down in maine, okay. but why aren't you blaming the voters who did this?
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 12:15 PM by dionysus
you really going to blame obama for the fact there is apparently a bigoted majority in the state of maine?

you think obama can *command* people to stop being homophobic? do you really? you should know better than that.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:16 PM
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43. I do blame the voters.
I also blame the Mormon money that poured into the state, as well as the bigotry of the RCC.

But the weasel words of Gibbs are really symbolic of this whole administration. They want our money and our votes, but they won't spend a dime of political capital when push comes to shove. Don't underestimate our anger or brush it off as petty outrage. You do that at your own risk, because as things stand now a LOT of us are staying home in 2012.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:31 AM
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32. That would be my question also! nt
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paranoid floyd Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:57 AM
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9. What are the other reasons?
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:13 AM
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26. He's the president of Wall Street, not the U.S.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:11 AM
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14. Probably a good thing he wasn't President in the 1950s or 1960s.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:15 AM
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17. ouch
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:24 AM
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18. In reality he couldn't have become President then.
However, there were plenty like him philosophically in office back then.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:00 AM
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23. And they were called "segregationists" and "Dixiecrats."
If it was up to them, there would have been no Civil Rights or Voting Rights legislation in the 1960s.

And no President Obama now.

Sheesh...
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:14 AM
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16. Obama is the single most recognizable person on the planet.
He could've swung Maine 5 points with a "good luck."

He didn't. And, as I point out in my sig line, he said he would.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:30 AM
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20. he may be the most recognizable person....
he stumped for both Corzine and Deeds....
both lost...

go figure.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:25 AM
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19. funny. n/t.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:58 AM
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22. Lame. Inexcusable. Imagine this being said re Civil Rights in the 60s.
Ultimately this is a matter for the Federal government and the courts to decide.

For the WH to dodge it this way is (another) profile in cowardice.

AT BEST.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:20 AM
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29. oh bullshit. it's a state referendum. but whatever, you'll cry at anything he does or doesn't do.
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 11:21 AM by dionysus
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:10 PM
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38. I guess you just don't care about equal rights under the law.
Or some such.

Just stay happy and keep kissing the feet of your imaginary plaster saint, and don't worry your little heart about such things.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:13 PM
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41. that's bullshit fred. you're blaming the president for the results of a state referendum.
in fact you blame him for anything you can think of.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:15 PM
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42. I'm criticizing the WH statement in the OP.
Read it?
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:17 PM
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45. He can't...the rose-colored glasses blur his vision...n/t
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:24 AM
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30. Agreed.
It's called Leadership, somthing O has been a bit shy about showing on some very important issues. :(
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:27 AM
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31. Pathetic. It is up to the states to decide if they want to break the 14th amendment

And, deny equality....

The south argued that slavery was a states rights issue as well.

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:51 PM
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47. Maybe it's time for our gutless president to take a stand on something for a change. K & R
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 06:40 PM
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48. This really is the worst policy statement yet from Obama & co.
Craven, cowardly, dishonest, and evil.
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