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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:47 AM
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What The Hell, Maine?
I was going to use today's column to have some fun poking Rush Limbaugh over the sycophantic "interview" he preached on Fox news. But then, I heard that same-sex marriage has been overturned in Maine. Maine of all places. There are three areas that any bookie would have expected same-sex marriage to be uncontroversial: Southern California, Washington DC and New England. Well, Prop H8 took away same-sex marriage in Cali and left the couples that got married in that brief period it was legal (including my friend Buffy of The Gaytheist Agenda and her partner) in a kind of limbo. DC passed Ref 71 which, as I read the law, gives same-sex couples everything except the word "marriage". I can live with that, that's the same arrangement we have here in Britain. And then came the other result.

Et tu, Maine?

Let me get this straight: New England is one of the more reliably liberal areas of the country, the rest of New England has legalised same-sex marriage or something equivelent and 58% voted to decriminalise pot. Were all the potheads freakin' stoned and thought their "yes" meant they were affirming gay rights? Because the numbers I'm seeing (58% for decriminalising pot, 52% for screwing over gay people) means that at least some of the stoners must have voted for this abomination. Did we all take a big dose of hypocracy today, kiddies? Were you guys so high that you couldn't distinguish lies from facts? Could you not have waiting until after voting to take a half-dozen bong hits?

And don't think I'm exclusively picking on the stoners either. Everyone who voted for this absurdity needs to get clocked with a clue-by-four. I mean, you look at any open forum on gay marriage and lo, doth the bullshit wax forth. We've heard everything from teaching your kids sodomy (horseshit) to some weird guy on HuffPo who seemed to be under the impression that gay people could have offspring genetically engineered to actually be the biological children of two men or two women (which won't be a problem for at least twenty years and genetic engineering on that level was banned under Clinton anyway) to teaching your kids that gay people exist. I hate to tell that last group but they're going to find out sometime. It's weird how obsessed these people are with the sex act. They act like kids knowing gay people exist means having to explain the technicalities of gay sex to them. What's wrong with "some boys love other boys"?

And let's not even get started on the moral atrocity of putting human rights to the whims of the popular vote in the first place. Have we not got the message yet that the PoliSci fiction of the informed voter carefully weighing the issues is bullshit? The average voter is not very intelligent, actively distrustful of intelligence, distrustful of change, petty and cruel. No, I'm not a big believer in democracy, I've met too many humans. If you put the option of doing the right thing to the plebians, the plebians will usually vote against it. I back democracy not because it's a good option but because it's the least bad option. If it had been left to the popular vote, slavery would have continued much longer and interracial marriage might still be illegal. And 52% of Maine voters just voted to make it illegal for gay people to have the same chance at happiness (or permanency, depending on your experiance of marriage) as straight people. Stop letting the people decide human rights, the people are frickin' morons! They believe bullshit! The ridiculously monikered NOM puts out bullshit that churches will be forced to marry gay couples and over half the public laps it up! OM NOM NOM! Gay marriage threatens the sanctity of marriage? How the fuck does that work? Do you even understand what "sanctity" means or the fact that, for most of human history, marriage was the transfer of property? And don't give me that bullshit about your religious beliefs. My religious beliefs aren't being passed into law and mine don't involve violating the fucking Constitution. Yes, the state has a vested interest in promoting families, no arguement there. But did it ever occur to your brain-trists that A) gay people form familes too and B) no families are going to break up because the gay couple down the block are suddenly the married gay couple down the block.

I often wonder if gay people aren't being far too civil about this. The movement is trying to win their rights with lawsuits and public opinion. And don't misunderstand me, that's very laudable, very civilised and noble. But the public are morons and your SCOTUS is dominated by conservatives, at least two of whom don't give a shit about the law. There is something in the human psyche that seems resistant to treating something as a right unless it's forcibly torn from teh fist of the opressor. So I often wonder if the gay rights movement wouldn't have gotten further if there'd been a bit more forceful expression involved. The most conservative estimate of the gay population is about three million and an accurate estimate is probably three or four times that so let's have a Million Queer March on the Whitehouse. Let's put a few pink triangles on poles and set fire to them, just to make the comparison obvious to the terminally dense. Ellen is apparently going to be a judge on American Idol but let's get RuPaul on Monday Night Football, let's have Chris Kanyon doing play by play on Monday Night RAW. They think marriage is a step too far, let's go a mile too far, let's shove gay people down their throats until they're so sick of the subject that everyone grows the fuck up. Forget the lawsuit, let's have some fucking riots.

Cheeses fucking christ on toast; Maine, for fuck's sake!
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:53 AM
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1. this is a very sad day for society
indeed

maybe time is well past for any civility.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:17 AM
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7. From a perspective that includes Virginia too, if this is Religio-Military facism de-cloaking, can
we expect the South to follow?

...............

You are probably right.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:54 AM
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2. The Catholic Church is a powerful force in Maine
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 08:57 AM by Tesha
so when the men in dresses who fuck little altar boys
told their parishoners that gay marriage was wrong
and a sin, the rubes in the pews believed it and voted
as they had been told.

It didn't help that the proponents of the ballot question
phrases it so a "yes" vote was against equal marriage
and a "no" vote was for it. A coincidence, no doubt.

Tesha
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:00 AM
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4. No doubt
If I remember rightly, Prop H8 was phrased the same way. Again, a coincidence, no doubt.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:03 AM
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6. (Yes, H8 was phrased the same way.) (NT)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:19 PM
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15. All so true. :^(
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:58 AM
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3. Maine! Shame on you!
What happened to your independent, think for yourself streak!

What happened to your economic sense? You're going to be boycotted. Can you afford that?

Dumb!
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:01 AM
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5. Washington State, not DC. DC will have real marriage equality in a few months. n/t
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:30 AM
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8. D'oh! My bad, thanks n/t
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:33 AM
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9. Epic post. Good job.
I wish the news was better today
You make some great points tho
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:14 AM
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10. Thanks n/t
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:25 AM
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11. Just so you understand
No US State can give 'all the rights but the word marriage' because as long as the Federal Government defines marriage as heterosexual only, gay couples can not have many important rights, including the sharing of Social Security benefits and the filing of joint income tax returns, the portability of the legal relationship from one state to another, and so on.
As things are now, all of the rights reside in the word, so it is not 'just a word'. I have been told it is not that way in the UK. But it is here.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:20 PM
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16. My bad
My SO reminded me of that about 90 minutes after I posted this. And you're right. Here, the person you are legally bonded to is referred to as your "spouse" regardless of gender and it's specifically defined as "the person you are married to or legally partnered with or live with as if you are married". The only legal difference between marriage and domestic partnership (the same-sex equivelent) here is the very, very technical legalities (like what precisely defines consumation).
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:13 AM
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12. Soap box... ballot box... just one box left.
Make your presence felt. Make sure they know that you're willing to fight for your rights.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:14 PM
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13. I heard that the pro-gay forces used the same ads that were used in California...

as did the anti-gay side. Coincidentally the results turned out very similar. I guess we didn't learn our lesson.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 05:45 PM
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19. Yep
Shot for shot in many cases. I can understand why the anti side didn't change, it worked last time.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:17 PM
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14. Our country is mostly right wing dumbfucks who claim not to want any government except when it comes
to gay people getting married. Then they're for all the government involvement in the world.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:24 PM
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17. Boycott clam chowder and lobster!
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:21 PM
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18. I boycott lobster anyway
I'm not a PETA goon by any means but I think the way lobsters are killed for food is just plain cruel.
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