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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:25 PM
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The Republican Party is not Dead.
There has been some talk that the Republican party will implode and go the way of the Whigs. Clearly, the Whigization of the Republican party has not happened. They have shown that, when voter turn out is relatively low that they can win.

Further, I hazard a guess that they will not die. These wins will be enough to revitalize the party. They will continue to argue over Conservatism. I suspect, that this will be taken as a referendum on Conservatism, and they will work even harder to force anything even remotely moderate from their party. A far right party can maintain a base in the South and some Western States. By hanging on a couple of election cycles, Americans will forget their excesses. They will come back. I hear that Jeb Bush's son is being groomed to be the next Republian President.

Finally, they win especially when Democrats don't go out and vote.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:28 PM
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1. We have both Houses and we're doing shit !
If this continues 2010 will be a blood bath !
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:30 PM
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5. You are correct.
Everybody here at DU should sit down and plan what they will do to hold the line in 2010. If we just sit around and feel fucked, we are doomed.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:54 PM
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16. It isn't up to us; it's up to the assholes many of us sent to Congress.
Right now, they are, once again, throwing it all away. The Democrats
are, once again, looking like ineffective losers and there's NOTHING
Americans hate more than a loser.

Tesha
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Engineer4Obama Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:28 PM
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2. The good news is that the Sarah Palin wing seems to be setting itself up for a loss
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:29 PM
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4. I'd be very happy with that
If cold-skinned reptilian paleocons retook the party, I'd celebrate. Still never vote for em, but man that would be so much better.
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Engineer4Obama Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:39 PM
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12. Moderates willing to compromise is what we need
The major reason for washington being as broken as it is isn't any particular corruption of Obama its that the Republicans are basically not doing their jobs. If the republicans just didn't show up to any vote the result would be exactly the same.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:29 PM
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3. Respectfully disagree.
Tonight, with the win in NY-23, we appear to be the beneficiary of voters who cast themselves in the role of sensible, compassionate citizens.

No such claim could be made for the Far-Right Republicans' conduct of democracy in that Congressional race.

They stunk up the place something fierce and they lost both their gamble to replace Scozzafava with a howling idiot like Hoffman, but they lost the seat they'd held in Congress for generations.

It is a spectacular loss for the GOP, one more of many in New England generally, as more and more regions of the country turn blue and the red demographic is clustered in a smaller and smaller zone.

A VERY poor performance by the Cons tonight in NY-23. A flaming failure.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:35 PM
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8. don't count your chickies yet..............


Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Rachel Maddow: 11,000 absentee ballots will decide NY-23.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6921610#6921610
6921610, Rachel Maddow: 11,000 absentee ballots will decide NY-23.
Posted by LLStarks on Wed Nov-04-09 04:32 AM

I guess it isn't over yet...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:46 PM
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14. No one is. Well, ok. I am. But the conduct of this election c
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 11:59 PM by saltpoint
campaign will bear heavily on the national GOP.

It was bad form, plus character assassination of Scozzafava, plus a ruthless maneuver on a reckless gamble -- and they may well have lost.

You are right that it is not over yet and the counting is still to be done on the absentee ballots.

But, hell, I'm a strong blue partisan!
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:35 PM
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9. The New England area has been changing since 1948.
Just as the South was really lost in 1964 with the Civil Rights Act, and the loss was complete with Nixon's Southern Strategy.

This election will be enough to keep Republicans going. If Democrats do not learn that staying home is lethal, 2010 could be 1994 all over again, especially if economy continues to be the major issue.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:31 PM
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6. They're in worse shape than before nt
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:33 PM
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7. It's post-mortem twitching at best
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 11:34 PM by MrScorpio
We just can't help things along by promoting our own bad candidates.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:36 PM
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10. Jobs, bailout and national debt sells...
And they will be selling it.

Those all play against whatever party is in power to the masses.
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forum slut Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:38 PM
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11. when there's only two parties to chose from, it's hard for one of them to die off.
impossible really.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:45 PM
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13. oh, the GOP is dying. just watch as the demograpics of the US continue to shift
there won't be enough of them to win elections in 2050

especially since they are 'purifying' the Party
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tkarolewics711 Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:52 PM
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15. THE SOLUTION
GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASSES AND VOTE. GET YOUR LAZY ASS NEIGHBOR, YOUR LAZY ASS CO-WORKER, YOUR LAZY ASS BAR BUDDY AND GET UP AND VOTE. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF DEMOCRATS NOT SHOWING UP AT THE POLLS. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOT DEAD, BUT MORPHING INTO THE FOX NEW PARTY. YOU BETTER BE VERY AFRAID BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING AFTER US. THEY DESPISE US AND EVERYTHING ABOUT US AND ONCE THEY CONVINCE ALL OF THE MORONS (THEY SPELL IT MORANS) OF THIS COUNTRY TO BELIEVE IN THEIR RIGHT WING BULLSHIT, WE ARE DONE.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:59 PM
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17. the whole body is under 'duress'
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 12:00 AM by G_j
a holistic pproach...
?
I don't think it's going to happen.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:18 AM
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18. i 100% agree. the historical myopia is astounding
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 01:19 AM by paulsby
a few months ago , the "repubs are dead" posts were legion

it's frigging ridiculous

hubris to the max.

look at history

there have been times when it seemed the democrats weren't going to come back. but they did. ditto for the repubs.

the obama election was a seachange from the then CURRENT environment but those who are calling the death of the repub party are like reverse chicken littles

they hurt democratic causes imo by influencing people to be complacent.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:26 AM
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19. This Must Have Been Posted Before The NY-23 Results...
I'm one who sees the GOOP "whigizing" themselves...and tonight's results in NY-23 are an indication that the great unhinged are unelectable even in "conservative" areas. The rushpublicans continue in free fall...their victories in VA and NJ tonight were based on a combination of bad economic times and poor candidates. Deeds ran as a DINO and Corzine's wealth and personality were major contributors to his loss (30% approval ratings are hard to overcome).

Both Christie & McDonnell ran as moderates...avoiding bringing in the wingnuts, but we're already seeing some 19 primary races next year where moderates like Crist in Florida will face teabaggers and the bloodletting could be so intense it will create major ruptures that will drive some to third parties in 2012...further hurting the national party. Right now the RNC does not control their party...rushbo and dreck do...and as long as that continues...the GOOP will schism just like the Whigs did.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:11 AM
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20. Oddly enough, victory goes to GOP Moderates...
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 03:12 AM by JCMach1
Duck for the coming civil war that is going to break out over the 2012 nomination.

My score Moderates=2 Teabaggers= 0
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