No single payer health care, no strong public option. How about we all

[SammyWinstonJack]

get what our public servants get in the form of health care insurance?

Good enough for them?


Should be good enough for the rest of us, if nothing else. Right?


Too much to ask for? :shrug:


As I recall, in 2004 campaign, Kerry said as much.

So why not at least that? :shrug:



Food for thought.

[sandnsea]

1. They have an insurance exchange n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. So are we going to get that?

:shrug:

[FiveGoodMen]

2. What we're going to get is the plan whose description made Alan Grayson famous

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. Yeah die! Lovely!

x(

[FiveGoodMen]

11. That's pretty much what I'm expecting whenever I get sick.

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. Me too, sadly.

[Dr Robert]

3. don't forget to eat your crow when the PO passes

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. I like crow, do you?

[Dr Robert]

8. good, you're in for a heapin' helpin'

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. Really, and you know this how?

:shrug:

[TK421]

46. HE'S A DOCTOR, FOR FUCK SAKE!!!@!#!$!!!!!!111111

[Cleita]

9. It depends on the so-called public option. What is on the table now is

not an option because only a small percentage of the population are going to be able to opt into it, so it's not an option at all. An option would cover everyone who wants it. So save your crow pie until the final bill is passed and signed.

[Dr Robert]

18. a Public College has admissions policies, a Public Option has admissions policies

Only those who qualify financially can get a Pell Grant, yet it is still a Public Grant.

Once again, what you want isn't a Public option, it's Single Payer.

[Cleita]

32. I remember when every deserving young person in California

could get a college education through either the state university or college system. No grants were needed; no qualifications needed, just good grades. It was all wiped out with Proposition 13. The millionaires, who are now billionaires loved it.

[Dr Robert]

40. they still had to have good grades. It wasn't an option for everyone.

Yet it was still Public.

[Thothmes]

47. So did the taxpayers of California that voted for it.

[Bluenorthwest]

39. "option" and "grant" are actual words in English each with

a specific meaning. An option is a thing which can be freely chosen from among alternatives. A grant is an award of money given for cause. "Grant" is the act of providing a subsidy. A grant must be given and an option must be taken. Words have meanings. One can not simply declare that 'option' now means 'last resort'. "Up" can not mean "down". The word in question is not 'public' but 'option'. The 'admissions policies' themselves mean that it is not an option at all. An option is freely chosen. Words mean things, they always have. Pretending that they do not is just another form of a lie. Red is blue, good is bad, war is peace. No choice is choice. What you are forced to take is an option.
Single Payer, well, it does not allow for options at all. Single. Payer. Only one. Not a choice of options at all. So you are misusing that term as well.
I think you need to look up the meanings of these words and terms.

[Dr Robert]

41. hey mr. thesaurus, there will be a Public Option despite your objection

if you really thought about it,
you would realize that there are literally thousands of things called options, which are not available to everyone.

Get over your semantics and quit trying to drag the PO down.

[GreenArrow]

17. Oh, I'm sure some sort of "PO"

will pass, but it'll amount to little more than a big pile of BS.

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. PO will likely be for us Pissed Off.

:evilgrin:

[Dr Robert]

21. not to the millions of uninsured who will now be able to get medical care

those with a selfish attachment to 'Single Payer or Bust' overlook those people who won't get any insurance if your opposition to the PO is successful.

You probably already have Health Insurance and just want a better deal.

Some people can't even get the treatment that would save their lives. Think about that while you're trashing the Public Option.

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. I don't have health insurance. My husband is on SSDI he won't be eligible Medicare for another

18 mos. He has to be on SSDI for two yrs before he qualifies for Medicare. I am not employed, so I don't have health insurance and we, on his SSDI, can not afford private insurance. No matter, I would probably get a subsidy for the mandatory health care insurance. I still think it's wrong. I think the middle class can't afford this.

[Dr Robert]

44. how have you been deluded into thinking that the very thing that will give you coverage is the enemy

it's baffling....

[maryf]

25. Only 2% !!! more will be covered with this option...

and with the hidden stuff in the 1500 pages, the insurance companies will be making even more than they do now...this is no public option!!

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. +1

How can some not see this? :shrug:

[maryf]

31. Some not only see it but are willing to risk arrest to see health care justice

case in point regarding Pelosi's latest display of dishonesty:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6919583&mesg_id=6919583

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. Mind boggling.

:shrug:

[Dr Robert]

43. those people aren't helping one bit by acting like buffoons

[Dr Robert]

42. 96% of all Americans will be covered with this Bill when it passes

just because everyone can't buy in, doesn't mean it won't help those who need it most.

[maryf]

45. That's bullshit, just not true, nt.

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. If strong PO passes I won't have to eat crow, you agree on that, right?

:evilgrin:

[Cleita]

6. To be hopeful, the fat lady hasn't sung yet.

However, when the final legislation is signed into law, then we will have to get the torches and pitchforks out. Bernie Sanders has said that nothing less than the civil rights protests of the sixties will get this Congress to pay attention. That means organizing busloads of people from every precinct in America to head to Washington, set up camp grounds and dig our heels in until they get the picture. I don't know if we have the will or leadership on our side to organize such an undertaking.

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. Well I have more time than money for health care insurance and I have no health care insurance so I

have 'time' to protest. :silly:



I am up for protests.

Count me in!

[walldude]

14. Lets go one better. Take theirs away.

Then see how fast they get moving on an affordable public plan.

Wiener posted a list of members of congress who are against "government run health care" who are on Medicare.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/22/weiner-55-republicans-public-option/

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. I think yes I know that Edwards said he would do that, take away their health care insurance if they

didn't give us at least what they had. Take theirs away!

[Cleita]

16. That would be excellent, but how? n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

19. They are in charge of their health care insurance so not much chance of rescinding that

But why won't they allow us the same? I don't get that?

[JanMichael]

22. I have decent health coverage and a pension as a gummint employee.

Others should have the same.

It should be right not a gamble.

End of story.

[SammyWinstonJack]

24. I agree.

[maryf]

29. me too...

human needs should be granted to all...

[Orwellian_Ghost]

26. You meant

corporate taskmasters right?

K&R

Drowning in their gravy spills.

[SammyWinstonJack]

27. +1 nt

[earth mom]

33. No, it's not too much to ask. Let's face it-we are nothing but peons to everyone in Washington DC

:grr:

[SammyWinstonJack]

35. Pee ONs. Yes that is us! We only matter on election day.

x(

[earth mom]

36. Don't forget also that they want our donations to their bullshit campaigns too.

:grr:

[eridani]

37. There are a number of provisions in proposed legislation that could be passed separately

I have no idea why a program for generating more primary care physicians needs to be tied to a bill whose foundational premise is that the more money you have, the more more care you deserve.

[nightrain]

38. put Congress on the PO at 12% of their income.