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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 10:35 AM Original message |
[IMAGE] What Obama Understands that DU fails to |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. I am a proud 20%. |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. This is also what goes into the political calculations of Democrats in the House and Senate |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. That chart is just so sad. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
64. "Uniquely American" |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. The numbers don't lie right? |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. I hate when Republicans do this... |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. My republican family spits the word liberal at me like it means dirty *hore. |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
32. People are moving in opposition to "change". It can be difficult, scary and unwelcome. |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Yes the wonderful successful Republicans! |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. ? |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
5. The word you're searching for is "visceral" not "gutteral." |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Thanks. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
6. People projected a progressivism onto him he never really had. nt |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. He's left-center-left. Left of Bill Clinton. Right of DU. And Trasformationally Slow. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. I don't think he's center left at all. nt |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
80. Neither do I. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. True. nt |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
7. In my view, this is not representative. Most people in this country are moderate |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Bush + Obama = 2008.... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
8. Major eye opener |
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Bleacher Creature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
9. I'm calling BS on this chart (again). |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. The chart isn't BS. |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
37. It doesn't matter if they know what the terms mean. It's how people react to the question... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
42. ROFL! Exactly -- like GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MEDICARE!! |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Don't dismiss the results, see how they impact elections, voting and policy. |
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Liberal In Texas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
10. The word "Liberal" has been demonized for years by the RW |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. That's right. Undoing 20+ years of thinking is a slow change. |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
11. This is a product of a patient conservative movement, the success of the Reagan era, and... |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
12. Did you notice something missing from that chart? |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. *1 ........ where are the 20% that are idiots and support idiots ? |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
13. How you view yourself is not necessarily reality based. I have friends |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Exactly. Sort of like 'feminist' - |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
22. I don't think this is as significant as you (and you claim) Obama think. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. For example. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. It's not civil unions that people are trying to alter state constitutions over. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. That's not true. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. And many Dems support gun rights and the death penalty. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. That's exactly the point! The Gallup chart tries to say things are cut and dry. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Seems to correlate nicely with the data in the OP. (nt) |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Horse meet water. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Sorry you failed in your attempt to make a point. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. Yes, I did. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. I didn't dismiss it. |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Labels affect how people vote. Don't dismiss the power of words. |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #22 |
44. People vote based on labels. Don't ignore the power of words. |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
24. A lot of those "moderates" are really "liberals" in their beliefs |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
70. There is a lot of truth to that. |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
25. Liberal has been so demonized by the Right that few would identify with them. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
29. bullshit |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
30. I call BS on the chart for measuring how people stand on labels, rather than issues. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Bingo! n-t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. How many voters consider issues? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. You ask, "How many just walk in and vote based on the label?" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Do they have to be? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. No, but your equations don't "have to be" either. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. "for those who prefer not to think too much about it." |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
41. People vote based on labels. Don't ignore the power of words. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. What indicates that I "ignore the power of words"? |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Agreed then. But among us, you can't dismiss this sort of poll. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. Granted partly if you can admit the "status quo" is largely a framing artifact. |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. I've made that point repeatedly in other posts. But framing it reality at the voting booth. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Did I miss the last election? |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. They elected Obama because they voted for the guy who talked about "Change". |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
31. just smile and be happy? |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. If left chooses conced "enthusiasm" to the Tea Baggers in exchange for ideological disappointment... |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
48. I understand that. I've always understoood that. It doesn't change my view or what I want ........ |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I respect that post a lot. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
56. The fatal flaw, of course, is that they ask about labels & not about policies. |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. People vote on labels. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Correction: STUPID people vote for labels. |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I think most people are stupid....and in this case I mean ignorant. |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Don't dismiss the power of labels as limited to stupid people. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
58. If you used this in your results in a stats class, you'd fail. n/t |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
61. You're completely right. I should have voted for McCain/Palin to cut out the middleman. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
63. A different poll: |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. But it's not put on a big poster for politicians to look at. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Bingo (see my post below) |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. Applauded. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
67. It's a branding poll, IMO |
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texasleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
75. I'm not a liberal, by American measurements, but I won't be voting for any Repubs any time soon. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
78. Does Obama understand this chart? |
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