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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:09 AM
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I survived a Redding Tea Party!
Since the inception of the Tea Party Movement, I, like many people here, have been curious about them. Who are they? What are their goals? What do they talk about at their meetings? Are they really Nazis? Are they total freaks, or can liberals find common cause with them on some issues?

Tonight I actually went to a meeting to check them out.

I didn't go to argue with them, I just went to sit and listen to what they had to say.

The Redding Tea Party was held at the Redding Holiday Inn at 5:30 in the evening.

When I walked in the door of the conference area, there was a long table set up in the foyer where volunteers were helping folks with name tags. Someone asked me if it was my first meeting. I said that it was, and I was given a red pen for my name tag in order to indicate that I was a new person.

I then went towards the room where the meeting was to be held, and I was handed a flyer titled "Patriot Press." The flyer had "In God we trust" and "Don't tread on me" written at the top, along with "Limited Government-Fiscal Responsibility-Adherence to the Constitution." The flyer was mostly concerning past and future actions on the part of the different groups, such as upcoming voter registration drives and a fundraiser for families in the Central Valley (more about which later.)

In the main meeting room there were about 350 chairs set up facing towards the front of the room. In the back of the room there were three tables. The first table had a bunch of petitions flyers, and cards, as well as hats, t-shirts, and a donation jar. I walked up to this table and I was immediately asked if I was registered to vote. Once I said that yes, I was registered to vote, I was asked my opinion about anchor babies, to which I gave an equivocal answer. (I'm all in favor of anchor babies, but I wasn't about to out myself that fast!) I was then asked to contact my senators and congresspeople about the new ammunition laws in California, and I was asked to go to a website to educate myself about a climate change treaty. I was also given a handout asking me to contact Boxer and Feinstein about the "Obamacare" bill.

(One of the oddest parts was that the man asked me if my boyfriend, husband, or dad had a gun as a preamble to discussing the new ammunition laws. I found that oddly sexist, as though the right to bear arms has nothing to do with women at all.)

One of the tables at the back of the room had books. They were basically what you'd expect: O'Reilly, Huckabee, and Gingrich. I didn't see anything too far out as far as books go. The other table was from a group called the Appleseed Project. The Appleseed Project is ostensibly dedicated to cultivating marksmanship among rifle owners, but they are really a militia movement.

http://www.appleseedinfo.org/

There were no refreshments, either free or for sale.

The meeting got started at around 6, and I would guess that there were 350 people there. There were about 10 people under the age of 40 (most of whom were women), and most of the people there seemed to be in their 50's, 60's, and 70's. It was a gray-haired crowd. There were about 4 women who looked like they might be Asian, Hispanic, or Native American (but I wouldn't put money down on it!), and the group seemed to be equally divided between men and women. I would guess that about half of the crowd was wearing business casual clothes, and half were wearing a t-shirt and jeans. Many of the shirts had quotes from the constitution or were Tea Party shirts. A few were overtly religious. It had a very middle-class vibe.

The opening speaker talked about the need to "beat this onslaught of taking away freedoms." After a few opening words we had a prayer. We prayed to the Lord for freedom and the constitution, we prayed for the overcoming of enemies of freedom, we prayed for Israel, and we prayed for our leaders that they might be lead towards the cause of freedom and be lead towards the will of God.

After the prayer, all the veterans were asked to stand up. They mostly seemed to be in their 70's. I didn't see a single veteran who looked under 50 or who was a woman. We applauded the veterans, and while they were still standing we all rose for the pledge. (There was a flag in the room, but I didn't see how many stars it had!)

A man then got up and gave what he called a "patriot moment." He mentioned that the three goals of the movement were, yet again, limited government, fiscal responsibility, and adherence to the constitution. (This was repeated several times throughout the evening.) The speaker then mentioned a race in upstate New York where the moderate Republican was forced to withdraw as an example of the perseverance of the movement. He then gave a quote by Patrick Henry (which many people in the audience murmured alongside him): "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

Then a woman got up named Erin. She was an energetic (but slightly sarcastic) speaker, and she is clearly a lot of the energy behind the local Tea Party. (I think she posts on their website as John Galt.) She talked about arranging an anti-anti-war protest in Red Bluff, and how she saw the counter-protesting of anti-war demonstrators as not being pro-war, but pro-troops. She said that the strategy was to move in after the 10 hapless Red Bluff leftists had vacated that particular corner, and occupy that corner for an additional hour so as to avoid confrontation. Erin then talked about how a few days ago a bunch of Tea Party members had gone to the airport to greet a local kid who had just finished boot camp and who was about to be shipped out for active deployment.

Erin then talked about upcoming events.

There is going to be a rally on Veteran's Day, and Erin said that everyone there should keep the rally focused on supporting the troops and not on bashing Obama or any other politicians.

She mentioned that a big upcoming local action is to fight the Tehama County Air Resources Board regarding government interference, especially with farming. Erin said that fining farmers for plowing was wrong, and that if we thought so too we should go to the Air Resources Board meeting on Thursday at 7 A.M.

A woman who claimed to have a Ph.D in public health got up and talked about flu shots, and how Obama had declared a national emergency over swine flu. We were encouraged to go to the Tea Party website to educate ourselves about this, and to draw our own conclusions about whether a national emergency was warranted.

Erin resumed the podium and said that a current Tea Party mission is helping people and fighting regulation, specifically for farmers in the Central Valley. It's apparently a nationwide concern among Tea-Party-goers that the Central Valley of California has a staggering unemployment rate, a high suicide rate, and one of the biggest demands on food banks in the area. Erin said that there are people sleeping in front of food banks overnight, only to find the food all gone by 9 in the morning. Therefore, it is a goal of Tea Parties nationwide (including the 153 Tea Party groups in California) to donate food and Christmas gifts to needy families in the area. Erin then said "We need to turn the water on and leave it on! This is California's Katrina!" (She seemed so enthusiastic about this project, I didn't have the heart to tell her that many of the needy people in that area are Mexican immigrants.)

Erin then said that if everyone there could contribute a dollar or two to the cost of renting the room we were in, it would be greatly appreciated. She said "Acorn isn't helping us here," and got laughter (which was the only real crowd reaction of the evening).

We then broke out into groups, all of which looked interesting. The groups meeting tonight were Orientation, Preparedness/Second Amendment/Veterans, Political Dynamics, and Family Values.

Since it was my first visit, I chose the Orientation group. I would guess that there were 30 other people who were new, so there were a bunch of us there.

The speaker, Bill, spent some time talking about how to introduce the topic of the Tea Party into conversation. Bill said "People are angry, frustrated, and upset- they want to do something. Well, we're doing something." Bill said that the movement is avowedly non-partisan, and anyone who wants to speak may speak. He said that campaigning is not allowed at the meetings, and one local politician tried to campaign and he will not be invited back. The group got together on April 15th, and for a while they were almost doubling in size every meeting. Bill said that most of the leaders were new to activism, so all this was very odd for them.

Bill then discussed a ballot amendment for union dues opt-out.

Bill talked about needing to write to our elected officials, and he said that at the bottom of every letter you should say "I respectfully request a written response." He also said that everyone should educate themselves about what the constitution really says.

After that, he talked about how we all have talents, and if we want to be involved we should pick a group based on our talents. The political dynamics group is focused on legislation, writing letters, and making phone calls. The Minutemen is a group that's sort of a rapid response team, calling out supporters at short notice. The family values team is currently working on trying to get more young people involved in the movement, and they're working on setting up a debate at the local junior college. The voter registration group is devoted to getting people registered and out to the polls, "because change starts locally." The preparedness/Second Amendment group is devoted to being prepared for emergencies, and part of that preparedness is having a "go bag" that we can take with us at a moment's notice.

Bill finished with the statement that the goal of the group is to get "our government, our constitution, and our country back." (I had a strange deja-vu moment here!) He said "We're not kooks, we're not Nazis, and we're not astroturf... if we are, I don't know where the money's going."

He then started a question and answer session that bored me, so I left.

The first group I came across was the political dynamics group.

They were just wrapping up discussing the Air Resources Board in Tehama County in great detail when I got there. They then segued into a discussion of the situation in the Central Valley. A guy who was either South African or Australian (and who was definitely not one of the leaders) said "I love this country, and I'm sad to see all this trouble. But can't we just ask all the people committing suicide down there to take a politician with them?" :o

Someone then changed the subject to taxes, and she said "I'm in a state of panic about all this indebtedness." There was some discussion about Prop 13, and nobody really understood what the question was there. Someone said "I am worried that we are turning into a European social democracy." :)

Then there was a long back-and-forth about the new California law that people cannot buy ammunition without a thumb-print. This was by far the most animated discussion of the evening, and many people (both men and women) participated. Someone suggested that people go to Oregon or Nevada and get bullets with cash. One man joked that instead of selling oranges out of the back of his truck, he wanted to sell bullets. One guy said that he was disappointed with the NRA, but he still thought that the Tea Party should have them in to speak. One woman replied that she was through talking and she wanted to do something. One man then said that one solution was the abolition of professional legislators. The South African/Australian man said "This is so serious... I never thought I'd see this here. Bullets are the third most sought-after item in Africa, and that's where we're headed." He went on to say that friends of his who were guides were routinely robbed for their bullets, and Africa is in a state of chaos that it will take them a thousand years to recover from.

The man from the Appleseed Project came in and said that the new law did not take effect until February of 2011, so we didn't need to freak out immediately. He then said "I suspect that handgun ammo is going to be difficult to get in California... probably for the rest of our lives."

On this note, the political dynamics meeting broke up, and I wandered over to Preparedness.

I got to the preparedness meeting right in the middle of a gripping discussion on food saver crystals, followed by a discussion on best books for home canning, and a contentious argument about the best dehydrator brands. A woman gave out fresh eggs, then the evening was over.

In summary, everyone I met was friendly. They seem very organized, moreso than any liberal meeting I have been to. The people I talked to were nice and welcoming. The South African/Australian guy was the only person who said anything really freaky. :o

However, I felt like what was being said by the organizers was pretty topical. I think most of the interesting discussion happens in the groups, and unfortunately I didn't spend a lot of time there. They're certainly not overt Nazi skinheads, but I suspect that there are racist fears somewhere in their movement. I hope to corner a few of the organizers at some point and really get some insight on the thought process.

They don't bite, and I encourage other curious people from DU to go check them out. I intend to make future visits to their lair to do further investigation.

www.reddingteaparty.com
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:25 AM
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1. if I could ask them one question it would be this
where were they when bush wiped his ass with the Constitution for eight fucking years?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:32 AM
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8. That is exactly what I want to ask
:P
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:47 PM
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20. That's where it begins and ends with me, too. nt
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PJPhreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:37 AM
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2. This is what really scares me...
snip:
"In summary, everyone I met was friendly. They seem very organized, moreso than any liberal meeting I have been to."

we as a group have never struck me as organized as these folk...maybe we should be?
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:46 AM
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3. It would be nice but a sizable chunk of the party is utterly against it
and only cares after a good long rightward slog, after which they immediately turn on the party again while going into resistence mode for 8-20 years till they tire of the reamings again.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 08:14 AM
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7. yes, we should be. it's really frustrating for me to watch otherwise.
whenever i staff the voting polls during an election i cannot tell you how many Democrats cannot follow directions or get their act together for the life of them. it's infuriating! and embarrassing!

i can tell because i have to cross off people's names and it tells me directly which party you belong to. Republicans are excellent little drones, follow instructions, get their ass in gear, show up on time -- if not early, get in, get done, get out. Democrats left their voter's manual at home (and yet we have one on the table to borrow), but then need to first drop off the kids at the babysitter's across the street, and what to do with the ice cream that's melting in the trunk -- oh, and can i hand you my husband's absentee ballot, without being sealed in the proper envelope and signed by both voter and deliverer? what do you mean that those aren't the directions? i read them right -- oh. but can you make an exception for me? oh, and when do you close? can i come a half hour after that? i have a few errands, and to make dinner, and... fucking annoying. shit or get off the pot already.

and you know, this would be just an anecdotal anomaly, but i've stationed at various voting precincts over 10 years already. i've been to more than just my neighborhood; since i've moved i've worked at least 3 different cities, let alone precincts. it has been the same each and every time. flustered, clueless, questioning, can't take directions, late, might as well bring their messy desks and 300 cats with them, plain ol' incompetent at the simple task of voting Democrats that have pissed me off the most over all these years. i can't take it! no better group to talk about complex social issues and current events and big metaphysical ideas, but can't simply get their ass in gear to turn in a simple ballot before 9pm. there is no excuse!

learn to lead! if you cannot, learn to follow directions! your whining and simpering and excuses mean nothing! get it done! shut up and quit whining, be productive for once!

the people who are organized and obedient enough to save the world work for those who want to destroy it, and the people who are smart and creative enough to save the world are too scattered to do anything but flounder around. it's like watching mankind's inexorable march to hell...

'scuse me, venting from frustration.
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PJPhreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:21 PM
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17. Lol,Oh how I see,
Exactly your point!

I spent the summer of 04 being a "Street Activist" In other words I grabbed my Backpack and spent June-Aug in Boston and New York.

In Boston for the DNC it was like a Party...Everybody was enjoying themselves.It struck me that no one was taking this for real,just an excuse to party.

I then walked 258 Miles with 150 other folk to N.Y.C. as part of the DNC2RNC Protest March. Now don't get me wrong these folk were fantastic,VERY Well organized,Taught us just what to expect when we got to N.Y. and how to defend ourselves when or if we needed to,But all they could muster was 150 of us...I was bummed at the apathetic lack of responce from my Democratic Brethren.

After we arrived in NY it was Kaos,plain and simple,what seemed like a Thousand different Democratic based groups trying to get "Their" message out! Save This/Fix That/Do This/Elect Me/Him/Her! No Cohesiveness at all! It seemed like a coalition of Hippie/Yuppie/Environmental/New Age Folk all trying to be heard over everyone else.

We Really Do Need to get Our Shit Together!!
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:34 PM
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44. we throw the best parties, but gawd help us for voting before 9 pm...
it's sooo like herding cats -- and it really shouldn't be.

fun people, but lord help us, some days i think we need a boot camp. :spank:
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:59 PM
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26. Edited response.
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 02:03 PM by gordianot
on edit: Sorry I meant to post this in response to the original post not number 7

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:04 PM
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28. Did you mean to address this to me?
:shrug:

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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:43 PM
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42. ...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :applause:
EXCELLENT rant! that explains what happened to my little hippy radio station! I understand now!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:37 AM
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9. Upon further reflection
I think their organization comes from the fact that they are better at designating leadership and following their leaders than we are.

I think we should try to be better organized, but I don't know how that's possible in a truly egalitarian group.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 12:07 PM
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11. Until Obama Campaign
After volunteering for many campaigns in past - last year was by far the most organized. I felt for the first time, we were able to finally update old, old, old Dem lists so that on election day we weren't wasting our time knocking on doors where the people listed on the printouts had moved out years ago.

It helped having so many volunteers also.

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:06 AM
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4. No thanks...
The amount of ignorance would discuss me to no end...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:22 AM
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5. Interesting- quite different than the one I attended last April
30 minutes of crackpot talk was about all I could take before the Lewis Carroll "Through the Looking Glass" feel got overwhelming.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:25 AM
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6. Just wow.
Thanks for taking one for the team. I think my head would have popped off my body within minutes.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:47 AM
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10. My home town! Thanks for the report. Wonder how they got so organized? nt
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 12:45 PM
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12. Who the freak would "unrec" this?
Good agents are hard to find!
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 12:48 PM
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13. I wondered the very same thing ...
I think Xemasab has done a great job.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:45 PM
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19. .
:D
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:06 PM
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14. K&R n/t
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:14 PM
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15. ^
:kick:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:20 PM
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16. did you get the sense that some of the leaders were shills?
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 01:42 PM by Capn Sunshine
Like Bill, the anti-union guy? Or the ammo guys? Just curious. In the political world, those are opportunities too good to pass up. I understand of lot of what the tea baggers are concerned about. I think our main problem with them is
WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU WHEN BUSH WAS PRESIDENT, MR ANTI BIG GOVERNMENT THREAT TO THE CONSTITUTION PRESIDENT IS NOT LEGITIMATE ANTI SOCIALIST?

At the market or wherever these guys pop up and start with their socialism rap, I always loudly remind them BUSH did more to advance socialism than every Marxist since 1900, what with the TARP money socializing the banking system.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:45 PM
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18. I don't know if I would quite say that they were shills
but there is definitely a system of passing talking points around. Bill mentioned a conference call every week that a lot of them listen do, and I bet they get ideas from there.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:51 PM
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22. So it's still top-down....
Talking points from Dick Armey's group funded by the Mellon-Sciafe, Coors and Koch family fortunes.
'twas ever thus.

If you don't think there's a similar thing to the "Arkansas Project" happening with Obama , you haven't been paying attention.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:54 PM
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23. I will be fair and say that I couldn't tell based on one experience
exactly how the power structure works.

I think each group is its own cell, but there is communication between the cells, and I don't know how that works.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:55 PM
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25. Conference call, eh? I smell Dick Armey as "The Puppeteer"!
:evilgrin:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:04 PM
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29. That's funny, I would have guessed it was our boy Asher.
:P
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:47 PM
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21. kicked. nt
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 01:55 PM
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24. age
well, in 30 years they'll all be gone. How odd that there were no young people.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:14 PM
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30. Yup. I'm 56 and I'll be gone or close to it by then too.
No way I'm wasting the time I have left at a tea party. These people must have no life at all. They need to find some sort of hobby besides bitching about taxes.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:14 AM
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46. Same here
I have a real life that keeps me so busy I don't have enough hours in the day for all the things I find enjoyable.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:03 PM
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27. You visited a mild incarnation of the Tea Party madness.

Where I live there is a much more virulent strain. They can sound reasonable on a introductory level but make no mistake there is a militia like offshoot of this insanity. My suspicion is if you continue going and they learn to trust you in their "cell" you will be introduced this aspect.

The local tea parties in my area do not mince words at any level. Unless they get what they want are prepared to water the tea of liberty. Get them started on Glen Beck, the 10th amendment, and Chuck Norris and see what you get.

After going to one rally and meeting I had all I could take. They know my name (to my regret) but not my politics, they are definitely to be avoided.

I do hope the FBI and Secret Service infiltrate these "cells". Also I have never attended a meeting of "progressives" that would not stand the scrutiny of any one. These people "tea baggers" are truly fearful and scary, and have good cause to be wary of law enforcement local and Federal.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:02 PM
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33. Redding's a really conservative area... I mean really conservative.
I would wager that there's a strong militia strain in this chapter.

Next time I'll bring up Chuck Norris. ;)
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:37 PM
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34. Several years ago they put several hundred sheeted hooded idiots on Main Street.
Everyone in our small town knows who they are, and many are prominent citizens of the local GOP variety. They are capable of extreme violence as witnessed by an actual lynching in the 1980's. They were out in force in the Tea Bagger rally this summer. Being a tea bagger allows them to walk in the light of day.

Do be careful.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:40 PM
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35. That's pretty bad
We had a gay couple murdered and a bunch of synagogues firebombed a few years back. There's also rumored to be an active Klan.

I'll be careful. :)
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:18 PM
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31. They used to hand out medals and commendations
for this sort of behind-enemy-lines reconaissance.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 03:57 PM
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32. .
:patriot:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:44 PM
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36. Thanks for going and taking the time to do this detailed write-up
It was very interesting, and I appreciate it
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:46 PM
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37. "asked me if my boyfriend, husband, or dad had a gun"
Wow, talk about an immediate window into their faux-1950's worldview. :banghead:

But on the bright side, I bet that crowd would be an ideal place for a collector of John Birch Society memorabilia to snag some deals on the cheap. ;)
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:50 PM
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38. Kick
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 08:44 PM
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39. K&R
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:25 PM
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40. K&R
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:28 PM
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41. We don't need no stinkin' refreshments!
Great, informative post. Kick.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:49 PM
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43. interesting
you should bring some Koolaid and brownies or something next time }(
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:43 AM
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45. So Orwellian. Freedom is Slavery. n/t
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:16 AM
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47. No thanks, I don't have the stomach for it but
THANKS for taking one for the team. :hi:
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:52 AM
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48. good for you for looking into other folks ways...
sometimes it's good to see what "the other side" is up to...


:thumbsup:


What gets me the most is the "taking away freedoms" bit. :wtf: Seems like Bush was working harder on that that anyone in recent memory..
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:57 AM
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49. kick
:kick:
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:14 AM
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50. This shall now be known as the GD Thread That Never Dies! nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:36 PM
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51. Excellent!
:D
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 06:13 PM
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52. Kicked. nt
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 06:18 PM
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53. Go to gun shows and learn everything there is to know about guns.
Talk enthusiastically about guns with everyone you meet. Tell them how you like to sit on your back porch and shoot ground squirrels with your Glock. Explain the sheer awesomeness of the GTL 52 tactical light for shooting rats at night.

They might just let you into their inner circle...
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