White House Claims 'Stimulus' Saved/Created 650,000 Jobs (but it imported 1,125,000 foreign workers

[mule_train]

White House Claims 'Stimulus' Saved/Created 650,000 Jobs (but it imported 1,125,000 foreign workers at same time)


By Roy Beck, Friday, October 30, 2009, 9:49 AM EST - posted on NumbersUSA

A few minutes ago, the White House issued a new report claiming that the Stimulus Bill earlier this year has created or saved approximately 650,000 U.S. jobs.

Unfortunately, another government program -- immigration -- completely wiped out any overall benefit the stimulus jobs could have been for the American working man and woman.

All of us need to point out to every local newspaper, every Member of Congress and every one of our co-workers and family that the federal government has imported more than a million working-age foreign citizens this year to negate every positive impact the stimulus could have had for U.S. workers.

Yes, we are happy to see the news that far fewer H-1B visas have been issued this year for foreign tech workers than usual. But the H-1B visas -- as destructive as they are to some occupations -- are only a tiny fraction of the flow of working-age foreign citizens into the U.S. each year.


each year.

Here is what CNN just reported about the Stimulus jobs:

WASHINGTON (CNNMoney.com) -- The largest stimulus program in the nation's history has created or saved at least 650,000 state and local jobs, according to a report released by the Obama administration on Friday.
Based on approximately $150 billion in spending from the $787 billion recovery package, the tally is the first broad, concrete look at the stimulus program's impact on the economy. The numbers are drawn from tens of thousands of reports from state and local recipients as well as private companies.

NumbersUSA has tried since last November to persuade the news media to monthly report how many working-age foreign citizens are getting first-time work permits from the feds.

It remains the great national secret because the U.S. news media -- from the liberal to the conservative wing -- won't report these facts.

So, NumbersUSA once again will stand alone in telling you the inconvenient truth from the latest U.S. government statistics:

•Each month, the feds give out about 160,000 first-time permanent and temporary work permits to working-age foreign citizens.
•The 160,000 working-age foreign citizens are divided almost equally into those getting permanent work permits through green cards and those getting temporary work permits each month.
•Of the immigrants aged 18-65 who get permanent work permits each month, about 35,000 of them were already working in the U.S. on previous temporary work permits.
•Thus, the NET figure is 160,000 minus 35,000 equals about 125,000 foreign citizens who are getting a work permit for the first time each month.
Click here to see the full calculations and sources for these figures.



http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/october-30-2009/white-house-claims-stimulus-savedcreated-650000-jobs-it-imported-1125?jid=280030&lid=9&rid=2610&tid=74771

[sharp_stick]

1. YES

LOCK THE BORDERS. MORE PARANOID RANTING ABOUT FERINERS, WE NEED MORE PARANOID RANTING.

[mule_train]

3. what's 'paranoid' about noting that we import more workers than we create in an incredibly expensive

'job creation' program

we're borrowing from foreign nations, to create jobs for foreign workers - it's economic suicide

the *net* result of the 'recovery plan' is nothing more than welfare for failed bankers, and jobs for foreign workers paid for by further enslavement of US citizen young people in the national debt

what's so moral about strangling our young people with massive debt, for a program that really doesnt benefit them?

[sharp_stick]

14. It's Nativist Bullshit

and it's just as stupid as it was when it was the Irish and the Italians getting the shit kicked out of them a little over 100 years ago.

Trying to tie the entire economy to a single number like this is beyond moronic. I work for a multinational company with people from all over the damned planet. Most of them are PhD's and or MD's, and the ones that don't have the advanced degrees have skill sets that you don't find unless you're willing to look around the globe for them.

[mule_train]

15. or perhaps it's just McCarthyism from you?

as long as we're invoking historical examples

you dont like it? not need to rebut - just label it 'Nativist'. Any time Senator Joe McCarthy didnt like someone, he labeled them a 'communist'. Saved his lazy whisky soaked mind from having to actually think

do you really think each and every one of those million plus foreign workers were doing a job where no American citizen could be found?

[sharp_stick]

20. Plenty of those jobs

could be filled with Americans but the basis of your post was that they could all be filled by Americans and that is patent bullshit.

Anybody advocating a closed border system as your original OP seemed to do at least based on the link is by very definition A Nativist or do you have some other magic word for it that doesn't sound so harsh?

[gmoney]

16. you might find those "skill sets" here if your company paid a living wage for them...

don't tell me that there aren't people in the US willing and able to do those jobs... you just can't get them for $24,000 a year.

[OhioChick]

17. How true. n/t

[spoony]

18. A-fuckin-men.

:applause:

[sharp_stick]

19. A working wage?

Jesus Christ on a fucking stick man. We start at $96,000 / yr for a PhD coming in off graduation, add a post doc or two onto that and you can easily tack on another 20k.

Techs with MS degrees in the proper fields start at $60k/year.

Our fucking janitors make more than 24k a year.

on edit: I came in with a PhD/MD a little over 7 years ago and needed to fill my lab. We advertised like you wouldn't believe to pull in Americans for American jobs because it's one hell of a lot cheaper to not deal with the pain in the ass that is the USCIS and the DOL. I needed a technician that could carry out a certain skill set and had some experience doing it. I had a grand total of 2 American citizens apply for the job. One never called me back, probably found a job somewhere else and the other one couldn't start until after his graduation almost 6 months later. I finally snagged a Brit and she's now working on a Green Card paid for in full by my company.

[placton]

21. mule my friend?

you must learn to relax. Facts bother so many on DU, and they cannot handle them. Obama has this all covered, just you watch and see

[Romulox]

10. You take care of your own family first, just like every other human being.

:hi:

[NYC_SKP]

2. *sigh* n/t

[pampango]

4. NumbersUSA run by Roy Beck? The nativist organization per SPLC?

"NumbersUSA is an immigration reduction organization whose intent is to reduce the United States' annual immigration to pre-1965 levels, without country of origin quotas as established in the Immigration Act of 1924."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbersusa

The New York Times credited Beck's NumbersUSA organization with applying enough pressure to U.S. Senators to defeat a comprehensive immigration bill in June 2007.<4> He has been described as a "tutor" for U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo on immigration issues.<5>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Beck

And from article referenced in the OP:

"Yes, we are happy to see the news that far fewer H-1B visas have been issued this year for foreign tech workers than usual. But the H-1B visas -- as destructive as they are to some occupations -- are only a tiny fraction of the flow of working-age foreign citizens into the U.S. each year.'"

"NumbersUSA has tried since last November to persuade the news media to monthly report how many working-age foreign citizens are getting first-time work permits from the feds.

It remains the great national secret because the U.S. news media -- from the liberal to the conservative wing -- won't report these facts.

So, NumbersUSA once again will stand alone in telling you the inconvenient truth from the latest U.S. government statistics:"
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Poor little ol' NumbersUSA crusading against Big Media. :(

NumbersUSA is about the most conservative anti-immigration group there is, though it does have competition for this title among conservatives.

If you want to bash Obama for allowing to many foreigners into the US it might be more persuasive if you could find a source that doesn't drip with right-wing venom, though I realize that is difficult since there are few liberal organization that can compete with NumbersUSA and its RW look-alikes in their anti-immigration stance.

[mule_train]

5. do you think Harpers Magazine is nativist or right wing?

if you're going to play an 'organization credibility' card, i'll raise you and call

The Church of Morris Dees

By Ken Silverstein -- Harper's Magazine, November 2000

How the Southern Poverty Law Center profits from intolerance

Ah, tolerance. Who could be against something so virtuous? And who could object to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Montgomery, Alabama-based group that recently sent out this heartwarming yet mildly terrifying appeal to raise money for its "Teaching Tolerance" program, which prepares educational kits for schoolteachers? Cofounded in 1971 by civil rights lawyer cum direct-marketing millionaire Morris Dees, a leading critic of "hate groups" and a man so beatific that he was the subject of a made-for-TV movie, the SPLC spent much of its early years defending prisoners who faced the death penalty and suing to desegregate all-white institutions like Alabama's highway patrol. That was then.


http://www.harpers.org/archive/2000/11/0068709

[mule_train]

11. If someone else covered this, I'd rather quote them instead

but the fact is, it IS happening, it's very serious, and it seems like no one else will cover it

does it really make sense to keep quiet about economic suicide becasue nobody 'we like' will talk about it?

are we so distrusting of our own ability to reason?

the issue is, we are spedning an incredible amount on these programs, that seem to be offset by other factors we wont address

it really would make more sense to take the 2 trillion spent on the 'recovery' and just GIVE it equally to citizens in cash, as fiscally irresponsible as that would be, it would still make more sense that lavishing it on failed bankers and employing foreign workers we have to now compete with

[OHdem10]

6. Just because one questions the organization, the fact remains

We are losing jobs with no replacement jobs and bringing in more
workers needing .

The most liberal soul in the world should question this.

[Romulox]

7. How is that source any more suspect than any of your corporatist sources?

:shrug:

[malaise]

8. The private sector imported those workers

Not the government.

[mule_train]

9. really? they're privately issued visas?

i did not know that

i always though the government issued visas

[OhioChick]

12. No surprise here. n/t

[Romulox]

13. Not to mention all the foreign cars purchased through Cash 4 Clunkers.

At least they're working in South Korea~!