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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 06:25 AM
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Is "V" a thinly veiled attack on President Obama?
This review from Salon certainly makes it sound that way.
http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/iltw/2009/10/31/aliens_v_curb_your_enthusiasm/index.html?source=newsletter

I'm all worked up over ABC's "V" (premieres 8 p.m. Tuesday, Nov. 3). Its aliens not only swoop down and hover over our major metropolises, scaring the living daylights out of us with their dulcet newscaster tones and their big, honest brown eyes, but they claim they can share the cure to some of our deadliest diseases, clean up our polluted planet, make our corn dogs taste better and keep outdoor malls from installing those hideous statues of ugly, badly dressed children frolicking happily in water fountains or taking up valuable bench space.

What we don't want, and what we get, is talk of "building a resistance." Building a resistance is tiresome and pointless, it's ground that's been thoroughly trampled by "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" and "Terminator" and "Independence Day" and "Battlestar Galactica" and "Star Wars," and, hell, "Reds." Ragtag bands of grass-roots rebels gathering in secret warehouses to plan how to take down a much larger and more powerful foe? If Han Solo isn't getting called a scruffy-looking nerf herder, I want no part of it.

You've heard by now about "V's" unnerving tendency to borrow phrases from the Obama campaign to hint at the skin-deep emptiness of the aliens' catchphrases. And yes, like Obama, the "visitors" are fine-looking and poised and friendly and just too good to be true. They talk about the "V Ambassador Program" and other populist tricks to lure the masses into drinking their poisonous alien Kool-Aid. The show even premieres on the anniversary of President Obama's election, and ABC previously planned to skywrite big red Vs over the nation's major landmarks as a publicity stunt, all of which might lead to paranoid suspicions that ABC itself is run by sneaky but well-groomed aliens.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 06:46 AM
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1. well, the original "V" had Hitler Youth and fascism
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 06:47 AM by NewJeffCT
and ran during the Reagan administration... I think this "V" movie has been in the works for a while now, though, so I'm guessing no.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 07:27 AM
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4. It's easy to alter scripts with a few new catchphrases.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 07:15 AM
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2. I wouldn't worry about it to much...
If it doesn't have a "Touched by an Angel" type theme, the Righties won't watch it.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 07:24 AM
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3. Couldn't the same article be written
8 years ago and substitute George W. Bush for Barack Obama. I'm not comparing George W. Bush to Barack Obama but his administration was filled with stupid catch phrases and programs where the name was the opposite of what the bill does.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 09:28 AM
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8. When I first saw "V", I thought they were re-making "V for Vendetta"
Again. In "V for Vendetta", the DID drag George Bush into the story, which was about fascism. Not directly, but they did blame his fake wars for triggering the whole fascist take-over of England and other countries.

Now that I know this is another alien series, I don't think I'll bother watching, Meh. I already saw "Independence Day", which was more than enough for me in the "aliens take over the World" department.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:16 AM
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10. V for Vendetta is actually about Reagan/Thatcher
but it applies to W as well.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 07:58 AM
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5.  this theme has been done many times in the past
and it will be done in the future. nothing really is new under the sun.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 09:00 AM
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6. If it is that's fine
The cultural theme of critique of power and manipulation shouldn't be suspended just because a Democrat is President.
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 09:19 AM
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7. V
It has more to do with Nazis and rise of facisits.Now antiObama asses on YouTube and antitObama Critics
want to drew comparisons between the evil Visitors and Obama to attack him.

My hope Is some viewers out there don't let assholes like them discourage them for watching.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 09:32 AM
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9. The Obama Campaign Was Really a Marketing Campaign - As Are They All, These Days
I'm sure the dialog came from the same ultimate sources.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:59 AM
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11. It doesn't sound that way at all. He watched a preview. Critics saw the whole pilot.
The critics don't think so, because of a scene at the end of the pilot that throws you for a loop. Which is a spoiler (hint: they're responsible for unnecessary wars... Obama, or Chucklenuts?)

Sirota is also under the seriously mistaken impression that the recent Battlestar Galactica was a pean to The Bush Doctrine. e admits he didn't watch it. I did, and it's the most critical show of Bush and his crime family than any other show I've seen in the 2000s.

You should have pasted these if you didn't want to appear as if your mind was made up, and just went looking for re-inforcing rhetoric.

I've heard that Battlestar Galactica is a favorite of neoconservatives for its supposedly metaphorical allusions to Bush foreign policy. I've never seen that show, but I am planning to watch ABC's remake of "V" - and by the looks of the preview, it's possible that show may become conservatives' new favorite TV show:

-snip-

...and the courageous tea-party-ish protestors heroically braving Establishment scorn to get the "truth" out against the odds. That's how the fringe right views reality and itself these days, and that's exactly the frame of this new show (which is kinda weird for an alien invasion plot, which typically portrays the aliens as overtly and brazenly evil, rather than as tricky hucksters who seem good at first).

Is it life imitating art imitating life? Or has the silly right-wing narrative become so ingrained in our culture that it is everywhere, whether deliberately or inadvertently? Or, as I wondered already, am I just crazy?

Certainly possible it's the latter...but it is eerie (oh, and yes, I will definitely be watching the show, as I was a big fan of the original "V").



I'm usually a fan of Sirota, but here he seems to just be throwing red meat to the libs to "watch out for this!!!!!" without any proof, just flimsy supposition and a belief that the gullible teabaggers will swallow whatever they want out of it, as if the show's creators have any control over that.

First he admits he's never seen BSG, but thinks nothing of passing along a Fox News-like "Some people say" remark just for dramatic effect. He's wrong, and the neo-cons discovered how wrong they were by season 3.
Second, he contradicts himself with his Aliens are overtly evil phrase, by admitting that he was a fan of the original show, which portrayed the very slick, friendly aliens with a hidden agenda he's thinking as strange for the re-make. It isn't strange if he's seen it before, and a new series with the same name, and the same plot lines, and the same original producer should make this something different than a re-make? To use a sci-fi cliche... On what planet?
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 02:42 AM
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12. Nope...they've been working to make this a series well before Obama was in the WH. n/t
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 02:44 AM
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13. No. It's fucking fiction.
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 02:47 AM
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14. V means KEEP THE FIGHT
DON'T LET THE GOVERNMENT / ALIENS FORCE YOU TO DO WHAT YOU KNOW IN YOUR HEART IS WRONG
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 02:50 AM
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15. No its a remake of an 80's sci fi miniseries
What a stupid question.
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