Amazing how many people are satisfied with being sold up the river on health care for a "win"

[FLAprogressive]

We were sold up the river....but hey! It looks like we might get a "win" out of this. Now who REALLY wins is an entirely different story......it looks like the REAL "winners" will be big insurance and pharma. Not the American people....

but remember....all of you Beltway wannabes can sleep easy knowing that "we" "won". The public option is now about as strong as the spines in the "Dem" "leadership".

[SIMPLYB1980]

1. Yawn.

Eat your shit sandwich and like it.

[DJ13]

2. Change we wish we could still believe in

[stray cat]

3. Do you have health insurance through work?

It seems like those the bill helps are the self-employed, those employed but who don't get insurance and those who have pre-existing conditions that either can't get coverage or get charged outlandish amounts, It also prevents people from getting dropped because they get sick and prevents all of us from having a cap that will bankrupt us if we have a real health problem.

[dolphindance]

4. Yes, it is clearly better for people to remain uninsured just so "Big Pharma" can die.

:eyes:

[Xipe Totec]

5. I'm just not happy...

STFU - Dennis Leary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAVoQfoU0dQ

[JuniperLea]

7. Yeah, fuck you all!

I was supposed to be the new singer for Led Zeppelin! I was supposed to be born a Rockefeller, I was supposed to look like Marilyn Monroe, FCOL!!!

:rofl:

Classic.

[Dr Fate]

30. LOL! What awesome comparisons- you tell those whiny "pigs"!!!

Good one- when swing voters & moderates complain about this bill, we can just tell them:


"I was supposed to be the new singer for Led Zeppelin! I was supposed to be born a Rockefeller, I was supposed to look like Marilyn Monroe"

LOL! That will show 'em!

I like "Well, people in hell want ice water"-or "You can wish in one hand and shit in the other!" LOL!

That should bring in a few swing voters.

ROCK ON!!!!

[Xipe Totec]

51. As if whining would bring in swing voters n/t

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[FLAprogressive]

10. gee, I only wanted Obama to live up to his campaign promises

he promised a strong public option and no mandates....

....now there's an extremely weak (at best) public option and strong mandates.

[JuniperLea]

11. Did he promise that?

Or did he promise to fight for that?

Don't you think this is as far as we've ever gotten in decades? Isn't this something to build on?

Rome wasn't built in a day.

[blindpig]

Who gives a fuck what he did or did not promise?

Universal health care is what the people want and what the people need.

I thought this was supposed to be government by, of and for the people.

Mebbe not, huh?

[Dr Fate]

43. Exactly- "centrists" never promised to support mulit-billion $$$ wars based on lies either.

And yet many "centrists" still support it to this day.

The idea that a politician is bound by what he promised and what he didnt promise is just more of the usual excuse making that we have seen for going on 10 years now.

There are plenty of things that politicians have done and will do that were never promised or not promised.

[rollingrock]

12. People donated a record $700 billion to his campaign

for that kind of scratch they should be expecting 'a pony' and a whole lot more in return, not the pile of horse manure we're getting.

[FLAprogressive]

14. +1

[latebloomer]

18. Like the optimistic boy at Christmas,

shoveling under the tree through a pile of horseshit-

"There MUST be a pony here somewhere!"

[girl gone mad]

20. I contibuted the max to Obama's campaign last year.

I'm pretty sure I could have bought a pony on a silver platter for a lot less than that.

[Engineer4Obama]

33. uhhh....

Did you mean million?

[Dr Fate]

36. Exactly, That's just chump change.

It's not like we did him any favors or anything.

[Engineer4Obama]

38. Seriously

I was just trying to point out the poster likely made a typo sheesh.

[Dr Fate]

42. No problem- just making a point. n/t

n/t

[ipaint]

19. Actually I wanted a horse.

Like the Canadians, Taiwanese, British, Irish, Dutch, French, Cubans, Chinese, Germans, Israelis, Hungarians, Italians, Polish, Portugese, Spanish, Swedes, Australians, New Zealanders, Scots, etc, etc.

You settled for the fucking hollowed out plastic pony.

[eridani]

25. What progress? This is going backwards.

It is a major fuckover for early retirees.

[Dr Fate]

29. LOL! You compared getting access to medicine to getting a pony!!!! LOL!!!!!

Good one!

LOL! Let's be sure to use that one in 2010- I'm sure that swing voters & moderates will also laugh heartily.

"AWWWWWW- so the widdle selffish pig with cancer didnt get his pony- WHAAAA!!!!!" Too funny- high comedy!

[Zodiak]

37. I find it callous and disgusting that someone would compare life/death health issues...

...some kind of "pony" just to score a point in a political debate on a message board.

[QC]

44. That's what passes for Wildean wit around here now. n/t

[JuniperLea]

45. I find it utterly ridiculous and dangerously stupid...

To expect such drastic change in under one presidential term length.

This bill as it stands now (and it's not over yet) is the most drastically different health care bill that we've seen since the passage of Medicare. And some here would do themselves a very huge favor if they took a little trip back in history to see how hard it was to get Medicare passed. What we have here is fairly miraculous when compared to history.

But no, people would rather bash each other and be assholes on message boards instead of looking at the reality.

Whatever, big man.

I have a family member who desperately needs a better system too. I'm happy we're moving in the right direction. But that's me... I'm clearly far more realistic than the dreamers here. That we got this far is amazing... but go ahead and whine. It helps us all sort through...

[Zodiak]

47. You are the one who chose the insults and the ridicule

...so when you lament people being "assholes" on a message board, you should first lead by example. That gives your lament some credibility.

And I am pointing out that your insults are not a very nice thing to do. Nothing more, so you are arguing with a apparition when you go off on "stupid people" in this context. Keep the shadow boxing to a minimum, please...it's intellectually dishonest.

Just clean up your social behavior....it's pretty vile. Just read your own posts to see who is being the jerk.

[JuniperLea]

48. Clearly you lack context...

This was a thread of many threads... from YESTERDAY... with many of the same players.

I don't need you to be my nanny... kindly keep your holier than thou diatribe to yourself.

[rollingrock]

8. It's called a bait and switch

Obama pulled off a big one, or two.

BO campaigned on a strong public option and was adamantly opposed to any private insurance mandates. but post-election, the situation is completely reversed. BO now fully embraces the private insurance mandates which he now treats as central to healthcare reform. but sees the PO as 'merely a sliver,' if it exists at all, no longer central or even necessary in his plans.

[flyarm]

9. no shit..it disgusts me..these are not the dems I have been associated with for 40 + years..these

new ones are a disgrace!

I am seriously considering re-registering independent..that way no one will be self assured of my vote! They will have to kiss my ass first and prove what they stand for!

[Peregrine Took]

21. Amen. They take we progresives for granted -"where else are they going?"

It will go down in political history that the DLC ruined the Democratic Party.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. I'm actually surprised they got as far as they did.

Yes, it's a lame, weak bill. But the real problem isn't the details of the bill; it's the fact that we have such a bizarre, corrupt campaign finance system. We will never get any legislation that really benefits people -- health care reform or anything else -- until there is meaningful campaign finance reform that prevents corporations from buying and paying for members of Congress. The most disastrous Supreme Court decision (maybe apart from Bush v. Gore) was Buckley v. Valeo, which basically says that the First Amendment includes the right to contribute vast amounts of money to political campaigns. So as long as members of Congress have to depend on corporations to finance their campaigns, individuals will get screwed.

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Exactly. Without mandatory publicly financed campaigns we will never get

good reform. (And we will never get mandatory publicly funded campaigns, so we are essentially screwed. *sigh*)

[treestar]

41. Yes, and also individuals responding

to the slick advertising in a positive way.

The younger generation may be saved from that by using the internet instead of TV.

When I look at political ads on TV, I'm amazed they work well enough for the candidates to spend so much money. Makes no sense to me that people will believe something just because it's on a TV ad.

We really are a dumbed down nation, in general.

[ixion]

16. yeah, it's aggravating

we get BS mandates, and the insurance companies are cracking open the champagne.

[Laelth]

17. Amazing? More like sad and disgusting. k&r n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[FLAprogressive]

23. that too

[Bluenorthwest]

22. It is servile and pathetic

[bowens43]

24. there has been no win. We lost. Dems caved as usual.

What disappoints me the most is Obama sitting on his hands instead of insisting on a strong public option.

We have been handed a shit sandwich and been told it's roast beef....

[BzaDem]

26. Because of course, with stronger spines, they might be able to pass a bill with less than 218 votes.

:rofl:

[Dr Fate]

31. "We dont have the votes!" "We dont have the votes!" "We dont have the votes!"

"We dont have the votes!""We dont have the votes!""We dont have the votes!""We dont have the votes!""We dont have the votes!""We dont have the votes!""We dont have the votes!"

Should be a great victory chant for the 2010 midterms.

Not "Here is how we will get the votes"- that's just loser talk.

It takes a WINNER with SPINE to repeat, repeat, repeat- "We dont have the votes!"

If swing voters are skeptical- we can just say, "What part of 'We dont have the votes!' dont you understand?"

That oughta shut 'em up!

LOL! This is FUNNY as hell- I need a little rolly-laughy guy it's so fucking funny.

[bvar22]

27. Do the math:

New Price Tag for Health Care "Reform" = $900 Billion Dollars for 10 years

Public Option Enrollment = 10 Million after 10 years (This was BEFORE the Public Option was further weakened yesterday).

Who gets rich?
.
.
.
.
.
.



From the get-go, Health Care "Reform" has been all about channeling Mega-Billions of Public Money to the for Profit Health Insurance Industrial Complex. This does NOT include the additional $Billions of Out-of-their-own-Pockets money that each and every citizen will be FORCED to give to the For Profit Health Insurance Corporations.

The "Thin Sliver"(Obama) of a Public Option has been (and is now) just a Shiny Object to dangle before the idiots for distraction while the Treasury is robbed.

Can you imagine the UPROAR if The Republicans tried to pass an abomination like this?
The "Democrats" are going to do what the Republicans could only dream about.

But Watch Out !!!
Social Security "Reform" is next on the (DLC)Democratic Party Hit List.

[bvar22]

28. K&R...up to +5.

I always though it was "being sold down the river".
Has the "Centrist" Democratic Party invented a new way to sell out Americans?

You can be "up the river without a paddle" like the Progressive Caucus
which have been reduced to writing letters to the White House.

The DLC New Team
Progressives Need Not Apply

[HamdenRice]

32. Please, please, for historical accuracy: It's sold DOWN the river (ie the Mississippi)

The term is believed to have been coined by African American slaves. It was possible to live a normal life span in parts of the upper south, but if one were sold and shipped down the Mississippi River to a plantation in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama or Texas, it meant near certain death within a few years.

Contrary to what many slavery apologists say, it was economical to "use up" a slave in most parts of North and South America within a few years, the upper south and the tobacco growing regions of Cuba being among the very few exceptions.

Being sold "up" the river rarely happened and would have been a very positive development in a slave's life.

Hey, maybe that's what you meant about health care reform?

[BeHereNow]

34. Mind boggling, isn't it?

Guess if we only send 40,000 troops to Afghanistan,
that will be considered a "victory" too.
:sarcasm:
Time to SERIOUSLY start looking at immigrating to a
civilized and educated country.

BHN

[Dr Fate]

35. More spending? Our Blue Dog Masters would never do something so fiscally irresponsible as that!

Do you know how much more troops would COST! Our Blue Dog Masters will not stand for it- the "war of necessity" MUST be revenue neutral!!!

LOL! I kill me.

[BeHereNow]

39. Revenue Neutral except for the private profits... which no one talks about.

You are on a roll Dr. Fate!
Love your posts on this thread.
BHN:toast:

[shintao]

40. Still not interested in taking the power away from the Corporations.

Yeah, its the same message.

Corrupt Anti-American Voter Congress sleeps with Corrupt Anti-American Voter Corporation.

There are few ways you can break that sugar tit habit.
1.A bloody Revolution of seeking these corrupt people out and exterminating them.
2.The All Federal donation to fund Legislation that I have suggested.
3.An American workers Organization to lobby for all voters.

Have a better way? I would like to hear it, because it is as clear as a pimple on your nose, that being an individual voter sucks in America.

[Skittles]

46. this country is fucked

we have idiots on the right who think Obama is a Nazi and idiots on the left who think Obama is a savior

[BeHereNow]

52. Well SAID! Skittles!!!

Keep kicking those idiot asses on BOTH sides!
I count on you.

BHN
:pals:

[librechik]

49. politics isn't about people working together. It's just like sports, right?

And winning is better than losing, right?

At least that's all I can fit into my head after 8 years watching Fox.

They report, they rule.

[JuniperLea]

50. Yay team...

That's what I'm taking away from this too... forget about history, forget about the vast difference between what we've had until now and what is being presented... and it's not even over yet, but it's the bottom of the ninth, there are two outs, and Manny (sans juice) is at bat... we're screwn.

I'm not voting for another presidential candidate until he or she proves the power of their magic wand first! Harrumph!