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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:06 PM Original message |
'Might as well go for soda, nobody hurts and nobody cries' |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. The balance between individual freedom and public health never seems |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm Ashamed At The Numbers Of 'No'. It Isn't That The Progressive Community Is Split. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. There is nothing "open-minded" about putting non-food items in a food program. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. My Comments Stand Firm. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. forget buying a house |
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bikingaz (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
53. more sodas = reflux? |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
69. Yes, among other expenses, Federal education grants and loans should be used to cover housing |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. I am surprised that you are apparently on 'the left' on this issue |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. I feel that way about all of my positions. I am pretty sure people who disagree with me |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Pretty Sure? Doesn't Sound All That Confident. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
50. Meh. 'wrong' / 'right' . |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. *edit* |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
93. You're ashamed. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. Soda contains dihydrogen monoxide. n/t |
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. I see what you did there... n/t |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. I don't. Care to explain? |
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
98. Then you do understand what I was getting at. n/t |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. It also contains caffine. Someone who can't afford common headache meds |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. So does coffee |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. Yeah, but coffee tastes like ashes. |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #37 |
62. It usually isn't at the level you indicate - |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
74. So if a politician said, "Hey, if you have a headache, drink SODA," you'd be OK with that? |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. YAWN. Doesn't this H2O joke get old? It doesn't even make sense. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Never gets old. Never will. n/t |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. It's the need to nanny |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. It is not nannying. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. There's a difference between infringing on business freedom and personal freedom |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Valid point. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. No, but it is placing further restrictions on a safety net program |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. pop is food. it's not the "need" to consume soda, it's the presumption that |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Sure,...coke and Pepsi are in the business of selling nutritious beverages. Uhuh. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. food = calories first. if you have a blood sugar dip you see pretty quick that coke or |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. I think people do talk about nutirition too much |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
95. Well. since I got called an "elitist" for quoting the Preamble of the US Constitution, |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
78. You can still buy soda, just not with food stamps |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. If it's a true public health initiative we're talking about... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
39. 'poor' and 'poorly educated' correlate pretty strongly |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. they correlate pretty strongly? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
88. I don't agree with your first statement but I agree with your last. |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
49. ... but, in a sense, the fact that food stamps exist ... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
89. The Founders then would be "nannying" since they wrote that one of the reasons for establishing |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. Some of us are a little defensive, because it's personal. |
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lildreamer316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. +1 |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
64. defensive or not |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
84. Exactly. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
6. I find that thread fascinating. |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Ah, what's so wrong with a cool Pepsi? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. It's about control |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. +10 |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. it is about control of our money |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. what fraction of the average food stamp award |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. no, that's not a very good standard |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
54. I really don't think that's it at all - I have no idea where some DUers have come |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #54 |
66. +1 |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
11. It's better than slander, it's better than lies |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
12. I drink at most, three to four mountain dews per year. That's it. |
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WCIL (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
15. Harsh judgementalism |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
17. It's not about pop. |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Great succinct answer |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. cementing the underclass? What is cementing? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. But where does it stop? For you the sticking point is soda. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #43 |
68. it's ridiculous to take one step because 1,000 steps away is a cliff? |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
44. Yep. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
27. Everything depends on context. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
29. I don't care one bit about the issue. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. What really gets me is those old people who buy instant coffee instead of fresh ground.... |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
38. I am 100% against anyone dictating |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
76. I hate those periods. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
80. No food inspectors then? |
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demgurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
45. I love Kim Mitchell. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. not really off topic |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
46. How much has your car cost you? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
51. I've noticed that. The only times I ever get called an "elitist" it's by my far right dad, |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
79. wouldn't that be an attack from a centrist though? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. It's kind of hard to tell (at least for me) how some of these topics break down |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
55. The food and beverage Taliban need to find something else to do. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
81. another good example |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
97. Funny, I was just saying that to my cavemate, Omar. We were plotting how we could hijack our next |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
56. Is this just a DU hang wringing exercise? or is proposed legislation |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
57. I'm not sure how it is that you're associating "those further to the left" with the "intolerance" in |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. it is a judgement call to say that the 'yes' vote is coming from the left |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
83. that's a stretch |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I shoulda stuck with my OP then |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. lol -- I often find myself wishing people on the other side would be more reasonable too |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
61. us people on food stamps don't want paternalistic nit-pickers choosing what we can and can't buy. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Nevertheless, it's the paternalistic nit-pickers who are picking up the tab. n/t |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Really? all by yourselves? |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Most of the paternalistic nitpickers contribute about a nit's worth of money to the program too. n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. As members of society, they have an equal share in developing policy. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. As members of society with that share in developing policy they have an obligation to be informed |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. You're suggesting that well-informed citizens should know the value of pop in a nutritional program? |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. No, I'm suggesting that those who are charged with managing this program have explored this issue |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. there's a slight difference |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #82 |
94. I don't appreciate the knee-jerk name calling either. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. I was gonna say |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
65. I agree. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
92. Ever noticed how the libertairan inclined can sometimes be the most intolerant? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
96. If you want to find out just how deeply intolerance and control is entrenched, |
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