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leanderj Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 12:41 PM
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No sex talk on Saudi Arabia TV: 60 lashes for woman journalist; 1,000 lashes for man interviewed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8324117.stm

Lashes for Saudi woman journalist
By Sebastian Usher | BBC News

A female journalist in Saudi Arabia has been sentenced to 60 lashes over a TV show in which a Saudi man described his extra-marital sex life.

The programme, made by Lebanese satellite network LBC, caused a huge scandal in conservative Saudi Arabia when it was shown several months ago. The journalist is one of two female LBC employees who have been arrested.

Mazen Abdul Jawad, the Saudi man who talked about how he picked up Saudi women for sex, has already been jailed... Mazen Abdul Jawad provoked outrage by describing his techniques for meeting and having sex with Saudi women. He tearfully apologised but was jailed for five years and sentenced to 1,000 lashes.

The station's offices in Saudi Arabia were closed down and two of its producers - both female - put on trial... Ironically, LBC is part-owned by the Saudi media mogul and billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.

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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 12:42 PM
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1. Can someone even survive 1000 lashes?
I would think the odds of death are pretty high.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 12:48 PM
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3. Maybe they will spread it out over his five year sentence.
I think this is really awful and wonder why the United Nations can't step in to stop abuses like this. I mean this is dark ages stuff.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 04:04 PM
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10. ... The most lashes in a single case recorded by Amnesty International is 4,000. These were imposed
on Muhammad ’Ali al-Sayyid, an Egyptian national who was convicted of robbery in 1990. The sentence was carried out at a rate of 50 lashes every two weeks. Each time .. he was .. unable to sleep or sit for three or four days afterwards ... http://www.amnesty.ca/SaudiArabia/3.php
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 12:43 PM
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2. How many lashes for Bill O'Reilly?
He deserves at least a thousand.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 01:36 PM
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4. isn't religion wunnerful? nt
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 01:52 PM
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5. How did all them Saudis get here anyhoo?? Do they emerge from
oil wells?? Do they incubate inside camels?? Do they just appear on a magic carpet?? Yes, religion is wunnerful.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 01:57 PM
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6. The Religious Right gets all warm and tingly hearing about this story.
They think 'Why can't America be this wonderful?' :puke:
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Brooklyns_Finest Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 02:02 PM
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7. The religion of peace strikes again
I have seen a video of a Thia man given 10 lashes and it was the most disturbing thing I have ever seen. I don't think the woman will survive the 60 lashes. The man was just given a death sentence.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 02:07 PM
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8. why isn't the billionaire Prince being flogged?
It's his station. And when they are done with him, Rupert murdock is next.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 02:13 PM
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9. Only reason the corrupt Saudi ruling family is still in existence is due to an American company
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0513-06.htm

Published in the April, 1996 issue of The Progressive
Mercenaries Inc.: How a U.S. Company Props Up the House of Saud
by William D. Hartung

We were shocked and saddened to hear about the attacks in Saudi Arabia and the deaths of at least 91 people there, including ten Americans.

But the fact that one of the targets was a U.S. private military corporation called Vinnell raises serious questions about the role of "executive mercenaries," and corporations who profit from war and instability. This is the second time in eight years that Vinnell's operations in Saudi Arabia have been the target of a terrorist attack. In 1995 a car bomb blasted through an Army training program Vinnell was involved with. The following year, Bill Hartung, a Senior Fellow at the World Policy Institute wrote this article for the Progressive magazine.

The sanitized version of American foreign policy asserts that the United States is hard at work promoting democratic values around the world in the face of attacks from totalitarian ideologies ranging from communism during the Cold War to Islamic fundamentalism today. Every once in a while an incident occurs that contradicts this reassuring rhetoric by revealing the secret underside of American policy, which is far more concerned with propping up pliable regimes that serve the interests of U.S. multinational corporations than it is with any meaningful notion of democracy. The November 13, 1995 bombing of the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG) headquarters and an adjacent building housing a U.S. military training mission is one such incident.

President Clinton tried to paint the bombing as just another senseless act of terrorism perpetrated by armed Islamic extremists, but the target was chosen much too carefully to support that simple explanation. The Saudi National Guard is a 55,000 man military force whose main job is to protect the Saudi monarchy from its own people, using arms from the United States and training supplied by roughly 750 retired U.S. military and intelligence personnel employed by the Vinnell Corporation of Fairfax, Virginia. A January 1996 article in Jane's Defence Weekly describes the SANG as "a kind of Praetorian Guard for the House of Saud, the royal family's defence of last resort against internal opposition." The November bombing -- which killed five Americans and wounded thirty more -- was certainly brutal, but it was far from senseless. As a retired American military officer familiar with Vinnell's operations put it,

"I don't think it was an accident that it was that office that got bombed. If you wanted to make a political statement about the Saudi regime you'd single out the National Guard, and if you wanted to make a statement about American involvement you'd pick the only American contractor involved in training the guard: Vinnell."

The story of how an obscure American company ended up becoming the Saudi monarchy's personal protection service is a case study in how the United States government has come to rely on unaccountable private companies and unrepresentative foreign governments to do its dirty work on the world stage, short-circuiting democracy at home and abroad in the process. In the wake of the Iran/contra scandal and the end of the Cold War, many observers of U.S. foreign policy have assumed that this penchant for covert policymaking has been put aside, but Vinnell's role in Saudi Arabia puts the lie to that comforting assumption.


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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 05:03 PM
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11. I had no idea USA mercenaries were being used like that
according to the 1996 date of article.
Somehow all these " private bodyguards" that Blackwater called itself, seemed to suddenly appear in
2003 with the Iraqi invasion.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 05:08 PM
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12. hey its their country
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 05:10 PM
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13. Yeah, and in my country, we have the 1st Amendment, so I can say "That is FUCKED UP".
I'll say it again. That is FUCKED UP.

And no wonder so many fundamentalists of all stripes are so angry- it's the sexual repression.
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jmondine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 05:57 PM
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14. I'm so glad that we and our allies are bringing democracy and freedom to the Middle East
:sarcasm:
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