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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 08:50 AM
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DUers, what are the best web sites to understand
the struggle for health care reform and the role of corporations, their lobbyists and compromised politicians in preventing this reform.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 08:51 AM
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1. Here is my favorite group
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 09:01 AM
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2. Thank you - that looks good
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 09:15 AM
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3. I second that.
Of course my sig. line probably gave me away.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 09:29 AM
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4. LOL
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:00 AM
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8. I sure am glad that they have that much money to "lobby" politicians.
I hate to think how screwed we'd be if they were "bribing" politicians.
I'm going to try not to get too excited either way until or if actual reform is passed.

I just wish that I'd known that Baucus would suddenly appear on my monitor. Sure glad that I was done eating.

The whole situation is so fluid that it seems to change by the hour.
I just don't have a high expectation that things will change enough to really help all Americans.

We might have to settle for just helping the people who need help the most. Of course, those are the same people who don't have the financial resources to compete with the lobbyists so I don't know what's going to happen.

I enjoyed the link to the Cleveland Clinic. They're my heroes since they saved my wife from an early death due to a 4+ mitral valve prolapse. Thanks for the reminder.

The CEO (Dr. Delos Cosgrove) was the one who did the operation on her and was able to repair her valve instead of replacing it. That saved her from a lifetime of taking anti-rejection medication and blood thinners which used to be the standard method if the valve was replaced. He was also able to do it with a three inch incision which was the best part.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:07 AM
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11. Glad there was a decent link
This level of greed is frightening
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:00 AM
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:43 AM
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19. Thanks for this important article, this issue is buried in the background...
of HC discussion and most are not paying attention to this item.

This could be something that comes backs to haunt us in the coming years.

A few democrats voted against the Senate amendment including Sanders, Harkin and Brown and you can find some of their statements at the link below.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/july/senate_help_amendmen.php


More on the amendment...

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/july/biotech_lobbyists_ca.php

"Comment:
By Don McCanne, MD

The vote on the data exclusivity amendment was covered in a qotd last week, at the link above. More background information is provided by Lisa Wangsness in her Boston Globe article. Because of the implications for the reform process unfolding in Washington, we are taking a second look.

Having a twenty year patent on a biological that can command a one hundred thousand dollar price tag is not enough for the biotech firms. They also want a 12 year lead time before competitors can begin to use the data, produced in our academic medical centers, for developing new innovative drugs or even generic equivalents. This doesn’t change the 20 year patent exclusivity, but it requires future competitors to wait 12 years before beginning their research that would be based on the existing data...

...The Boston Globe article demonstrates that this was not about policy, but about process. It shows how the most powerful lobbyists can cast their nets and pull in the best of them.


Howard Dean was a part of the “all hands on deck” scramble to support the data exclusivity amendment. It was simply a job that he was expected to do as part of the McKenna rapid-fire response team..."


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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:48 AM
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21. Yep
Quite an eye-opener.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 11:25 AM
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24. Yes, when I saw the BTK (Biotech index) jump 16% in one day...
as the amendments were passed you knew the companies were happy.

Lobbying money well spent.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 09:39 AM
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5. One more good link - he's Max(ed) out
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 09:24 AM
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28. Thanks for that one.
I still remain highly optimistic that we're going to see a vast change in the cost and availability of health insurance and health care.

Suuurrre I do.

It sucks to be a peasant in a lobbyist controlled country.

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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 09:48 AM
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6. I like this one:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 09:49 AM
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7. Excellent
Thanks :hi:
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tmyers09 Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:01 AM
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10. OpenSecrets.org
is a great place to see which groups are giving to which politicians and how much.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:08 AM
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12. That's a key link
I use it all the time
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Blue State Blues Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:16 AM
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13. Bill Moyers Journal has several shows on the topic and a website with info
Edited on Sat Oct-24-09 10:22 AM by Blue State Blues
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Blue State Blues Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:27 AM
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15. One More: Money Politics and Health
This one is probably most on target to your original question.

Bill Moyers Journal -- Money, Politics and Health

In addition to transcript and video of the program, the link includes additional documents and information about the influence of money on politics.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:32 AM
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17. Thanks Blue State Blues
I watched that one live.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:30 AM
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16. Excellent links
I have some, but not all of these. Thank you.
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Blue State Blues Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:39 AM
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18. BusinessWeek Article: The Health Insurers Have Already Won
From August

The Health Insurers Have Already Won
How UnitedHealth and rival carriers, maneuvering behind the scenes in Washington, shaped health-care reform for their own benefit

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_33/b4143034820260.htm

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:46 AM
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20. They may have jumped the gun
too early.
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Blue State Blues Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 11:26 AM
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25. let us hope
though they do seem to have succeeded in watering-down what could have been a much stronger set of proposals. If, for example, National Health Service and Single-Payer advocates had been allowed in the negotiating process to represent the "radical" possibilities, Medicare for Everyone would have played as a more reasonable compromise position (which it is), and a far stronger Public Option than anything currently under discussion would have been a rather conservative compromise position (which it is).
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 11:38 AM
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27. Yep they muddied all the waters
Edited on Sat Oct-24-09 11:49 AM by malaise
with cash and confusion

sp.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 10:18 AM
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14. K&R
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 11:20 AM
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22. THE HISTORY OF THE PUBLIC OPTION...
The original Jacob Hacker plan was named "Health Care for America" and it did not include subsidies to private insurance companies. Also it talked about rolling the Medicaid and SCHIP programs into the public plan, this would have given the PO plan a large base from which to negotiate.

The well funded organization "Health Care for America (Now)" was formed in 2008 to promote the public option idea and groups signed on in support of the idea.

The original number of enrollees in the plan were estimated at over 100 million participants, the first estimate was done early in this decade and then a later estimate in 2007. Both of these estimates were done by the Lewin Group who became affiliated with United Health Care in 2006. Early in the discussion at least one Democrat quoted the Lewin analysis and people believed the PO would have many enrollees, but it changed.

What you hear now is Republicans fighting the original plan to scare constituents about a government take over, when in reality the Democrats have changed the plan significantly and it is just a shell of the original idea. As the article below mentions some progressives are now left defending the PO, no matter how much it has changed.

When the Hacker public option idea was being discussed, many saw this as a stealth move to SP and got on board with the idea. The current proposals in no way resemble the original ideas, but people are still supporting the watered down versions proposed in Congress.

Here is a video of Jacob Hacker and the Economic Policy Institute speaking about the Hacker plan, that does not sound like any of the plans currently under discussion?

Health Care For America
just over 3 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-J9ZgCRiD8

As Kucinich said... Kip Sullivan who wrote the Bait and Switch articles has it figured out.

Full article...
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=08&year=2009&base_name=the_history_of_the_public_opti

DU thread...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6456383


"...it's worthwhile to trace the history of exactly where this idea -- a compromise itself -- came from. The public option was part of a carefully thought out and deliberately funded effort to put all the pieces in place for health reform before the 2008 election -- a brilliant experiment, but one that at this particular moment, looks like it might turn out badly. (Which is not the same as saying it was a mistake.)

One key player was Roger Hickey of the Campaign for America's Future. Hickey took UC Berkley health care expert Jacob Hacker's idea for "a new public insurance pool modeled after Medicare" and went around to the community of single-payer advocates, making the case that this limited "public option" was the best they could hope for. Ideally, it would someday magically turn into single-payer. And then Hickey went to all the presidential candidates, acknowledging that politically, they couldn't support single-payer, but that the "public option" would attract a real progressive constituency. Here's Hickey from a speech to New Jersey Citizen Action in November 2007:



....Starting in January, we began to take Jacob Hacker to see the presidential candidates. We started with John Edwards and his advisers -- who quickly understood the value of Hacker's public plan, and when he announced his health proposal on "Meet The Press," he was very clear that his public plan could become the dominant part of his new health care program, if enough people choose it.


The rest is history. Following Edwards' lead, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton picked up on the public option compromise. So what we have is Jacob Hacker's policy idea, but largely Hickey and Health Care for America Now's political strategy. It was a real high-wire act -- to convince the single-payer advocates, who were the only engaged health care constituency on the left, that they could live with the public option as a kind of stealth single-payer, thus transferring their energy and enthusiasm to this alternative. It had a very positive political effect: It got all the candidates except Kucinich onto basically the same health reform structure, unlike in 1992, when every Democrat had his or her own gimmick. And the public option/insurance exchange structure was ambitious.

But the downside is that the political process turns out to be as resistant to stealth single-payer as it is to plain-old single-payer. If there is a public plan, it certainly won't be the kind of deal that could "become the dominant player." So now this energetic, well-funded group of progressives is fired up to defend something fairly complex and not necessarily essential to health reform. (Or, put another way, there are plenty of bad versions of a public plan.) The symbolic intensity is hard for others to understand. But the intensity is understandable if you recognize that this is what they gave up single-payer for, so they want to win at least that much..."


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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 11:25 AM
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23. How did Obama move from SIngle Payer to the Public Option
Full quote from Obama in 2003:
"I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program." (applause) "I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that's what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that's what I'd like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House."

Obama speaking to the Illinois AFL-CIO, June 30, 2003.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 11:31 AM
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26. I cannot say for sure, although I can only imagine that anyone...
who pushed for a not for profit system would not be a favored candidate by big money.

Even during the debates the idea of SP was silenced, there was never a follow up question by the media or any other candidate when Kucinich raised the issue, they just wanted it to go away.

:(









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