The parents of Cho (the gunman) didn't commit suicide, did they?

[Bicoastal]

I'm 99% sure this hasn't happened, as it would be all over the Web, but my Korean roommate just told me he heard as much in the newspapers back home. ("But they haven't announced it here, yet.") Bogus or not?

On another note, this massacre was appparently the top news story in South Korea, which is pretty incredible. According to him, any time something happens involving Koreans in America, it's front-page news in Seoul. I was about to tell him about the anti-Korean aspects of the '91 LA Riots, and he surprised me by informing me that most people in his home country know all about it. Are we Americans that informed about (or interested in) news stories involving our countrymen overseas? I suspect not.

[acmavm]

1. Basically most Americans are idiots.

[Radio_Lady]

9. "Speak for yourself!" she said. "In any event, I find you very wrong."

Good night and good luck.

[acmavm]

13. I do speak for myself. And I stand by what I say.

[Radio_Lady]

37. Have you ever taken a course in logic? If you have, you may understand the logic fault is unproved.

You probably would be better off to say that "Basically, SOME Americans are idiots." I agree with that. I can't remember how to diagram it, but perhaps someone else will.

Your problem is that: MOST does NOT equal SOME

All of the class of Americans are NOT idiots.
Therefore, some of the class of Americans are idiots.
Therefore, some of the class of Americans are NOT idiots.

As I recall, it's the MOST part that you cannot prove. I got an "A" in logic, but that was a long time ago. Good night and good luck!

[acmavm]

46. I'm soooo impressed. I took critical thinking too. I got a 'A'. BFD.

You've said nothing. You've proven nothing.

Hope you got a good night's sleep and woke up a little more intelligent yourself.

[pampango]

48. I always love to hear this "progressive" view of the American people.

I find it to be a very undemocratic (small "d") view that most people are idiots (and therefor cannot be trusted to govern themselves?).

Let us just hope that none of our candidates adopt the slogan "Most Americans are idiots" for their campaigns. (The freepers love it when we post slogans like this.)

[acmavm]

49. Turn around and take a look at your country (and mine). Then

tell me that we aren't a breed of lazy, selfish, narcissistic idiots.

It has not one damn thing to do with being progressive or regressive. It's the way people have become.

[pampango]

51. I did (the turn around thing).

I am telling you that we are not a "breed" of lazy, selfish, narcissistic idiots. I see a lot of people (when I turn around) who are good people. Unfortunately, they do not always agree with me on political issues (given where I live). But they don't agree with me on many things and they are still good people.

Do you have a preferred form of government that is superior to our feeble experiment at having idiots attempt to govern themselves?

[babylonsister]

2. If an American had shot and killed so many people in another country,

I can guarantee you we'd know about it.
As for the suicide, I heard on MSNBC earlier it didn't happen (and was perplexed because I hadn't heard about the initial rumor).

[wakeme2008]

3. No but they are in hiding after Fox News gave out their home address

:grr:

[Bicoastal]

4. They DIDN'T.

Which FOX slimeball did that?! Those BASTARDS!!!

:nuke:

[Donnachaidh]

7. are you shitting me?

I wish we had an FCC with some TEETH. :grr:

[Clark2008]

31. The FCC couldn't have done anything about it.

It's a matter of public record.

Maybe I need to start a thread about this - folks, you have no privacy. Never did. The Internet makes it easier to get said information, but if I know your name and find out your address in the phone book or on Google, I can publish it.

It's not against the law - and shouldn't be. Morally, it might be unethical, but it's not and never has been illegal. The more we have out in the sunshine, the better.

BTW, I can get your name from your license plate number, too. That's public record. You're notified (at least in my state) when someone requests that info - but it's public record.

Go down to any courthouse on your next weekday off and just start prying about. You can find anything out about anyone and it's perfect legal - and should be. This is how we catch government officials in crimes, this is how we find out about dubious folk in our community. There is a valid reason for all this.

I'm not just picking on you Donna, and forgive me for using your post to respond to in order to make a point: when reporters used to do their jobs well, open public records were a necessity.

I used to spend half my reporting day at the courthouse examining records to use in articles. You can, too.

[Donnachaidh]

50. not taken as a 'pick' -- THANKS for posting this

But I do have one question re: license plate info.

I thought that those records were closed after all the stalking mess in Southern California? After the Rebecca Schaefer murder. Was that only done in Cali?

[flying_monkeys]

8. Isn't that against the law?

Why not scare Faux by having their offices raided by the FBI?


Oh yeah, that's right, siccing the FBI only works for half the country, I forgot.


How did they give out the address? One of those, "And this two story frame house on Cherry Hill Drive in lower-wherever is where the shooter grew up and his parents" etc etc? Or did they actually give more specific info than that?

[donheld]

47. Isn't that against the law? No only titties are against the law

maybe weenies too.

[BlooInBloo]

10. Good thing white DUers are SOOOOOO sure that Koreans aren't in any danger, else I'd be worried.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

19. Did someone actually say that?

There are a lot of nutcase bigots out there just itching for an excuse to show their true colors. My friends from Afghanistan have caught hell since 9/11 and actually moved so people would quit egging their house.

Most bigots are cowards, but there's aways the exception.

[BlooInBloo]

21. Yah - repeatedly - I forget the threads, but they're around.

[spoony]

24. LOL

You must have been so disappointed when the shooter didn't turn out to be white. All that anger you didn't get to vent, so you have to find ways to slip it in here and there, eh?

[BlooInBloo]

26. Um, no? (sorry - I don't even know what you mean, else I'd be able to be more snarky)

[flying_monkeys]

29. Um, this one isn't so sure

and has said so a few times now.

I think Bubba is gonna go torch someone or something, but Bubba doesn't post *here*. But he is out there, waiting for the opportunity to get "pay back", because in his reptilian mind he is owed that....

[BlooInBloo]

35. Yup. And it's made worse by there being a lot of Bubbas.

[xxqqqzme]

11. Please, please, please tell me that

fux noise didn't really do that.

[wakeme2008]

45. Hokie forum for source

http://www.techsideline.com/message_board/coverage/2007/April/17/1237895.php

[Horse with no Name]

12. They should have their broadcast license revoked for that!!

I bet they didn't give out the bin Ladin's addresses after 911---Oh wait, it wouldn't have mattered. Bush had them flown out of the country.

[Bicoastal]

14. OK, now you MUST reveal your source for this.

I haven't seen anything about FOX outing his parents' home address, and I did a few Google searches. It's not that I don't believe you (I don't put anything past those jerks) but I would definitely like to see where you read or heard that.

[Connie_Corleone]

20. I saw some of the Faux coverage.

I don't think they gave out a specific address, but they were saying which neighborhood his parents lived in.

Of course last night, Geraldo was showing a picture of an Asian young man (face covered up by Geraldo)with rifles who was NOT the shooter. Geraldo said the man wasn't the shooter but showed the picture anyway.

[JackBeck]

38. I just saw some FOX news as well.

And yes, they showed the front of the duplex with the whole address in view. I can't recall the whole address but there were at least 5 numbers in the home address. Couples with how news sources have been talking about what town they live in, it would be pretty easy to figure out where they live. Not to mention, FOX interviewing the neighbors on top of it, I hope there is no retaliation against this family.

[wakeme2008]

44. thread on the Hokie Forum

http://www.techsideline.com/message_board/coverage/2007/April/17/1237895.php

[jwirr]

27. Damn pigs on fox.

[orleans]

41. i didn't know they gave out a home address (did they really?)

but i heard msnbc or cnn mention the type of business they own (i forget--maybe there were two businesses mentioned)

[Joe Fields]

52. You have GOT to be kidding. That's criminal.

I can't even begin to imagine what those parents are suffering through right now. And then to have FOX broadcast where they live. Are you certain? I mean, it sounds like something they would do, but....that is simply unconscionable.

[aein]

5. Asians, I think have a high sensitivity to the reputation of their family and the community in....

...which they belong.

[KoKo]

15. It's about "Saving Face" in Asian Culture. That their son did this would mean

that the FAMILY WAS DISGRACED. I have a feeling that they are headed to Gitmo so that Bushies can take advantage of their cultural problems and make this a Korean Terrorist attack and that the parents can be portrayed as part of it. Bush & Co. are so clueless and heartless they might not know that the parents really should be guarded because as Koreans they might "off themselves" in shame.

:shrug: Just saying.... But, Bushies and Corporate Whore Media would love any story about the parents and the daughter who graduated from Princeton who was Cho's older sister.

[Bicoastal]

17. Not accoring to my roommate, a resident of Seoul.

You might be thinking about Japanese culture a few decades ago and generalizing it to cover all citizens of South East Asia everywhere.

[KoKo]

18. Have friend who is head of an Independent American Boarding School Program with many So Koreans...

and they are wealthy kids....and there are constant "social problems" because of their culture and that it's so much about saving face. Also...my brother has worked with Chinese and Japanese and you need to have a BOOK to deal with all the "hand signals" and body language needed to deal with the cultural and social quirks of their culture compared to ours.

Maybe your friend from Seoul is just a DUDE..and not part of the culture. :shrug:

[LisaL]

34. I've worked with Chinese and Japanese and did not need any

books to deal with them.

[flyarm]

6. NO THAT RUMOR WAS DISPELLED IN PRESS CONFERENCE EOM

[northzax]

16. not suprised about the news, I must say

spend anytime outside the US, and you will find that their news is often dominated by what happens in the US, especially US politics.

[mainer]

22. It would not be surprising.

Considering their culture.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

23. Parent suicide is a HOAX as already posted in this thread.

[dailykoff]

25. Hmm...

Might be convenient for certain parties if they did, instead of hanging around asking embarrassing questions like Tillman's parents. I wonder if this is a hint?

[Matsubara]

28. It's a pretty huge story here in Japan, too.

Koreans are worried about a backlash. I think Japanese, like a lot of us, are wondering what it is about life in modern technological societies that creates damaged individuals like this and how can we preven more of them from goin gto this extreme?


And meanwhile, white right-wingers in the states lament that all of the students weren't packing heat so they could have all taken Cho out in a blaze of crossfire...

[LisaL]

30. I would like to know how Cho became such an expert on shooting.

He shot and killed a large number of people and most of those people are said to have multiple bullet wounds. He only bought that first gun in March. Did he practice the shooting at all? How did that happen that he was able to shoot so many people?

[qdemn7]

32. Where Have You Been?

Ever heard of FPS? First Person Shooters? Most males who play video and PC gaming play these type of games. They are so accurate the military uses them for training.

[LisaL]

33. That is my question-is there any information on how

he was trained?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

39. Have you played an FPS game AND shot a gun? Completely different beasts.

In FPS games you shoot by clicking a mouse or pushing a button on a gamepad. There is no weight to support in your hand, there is no recoil. Aside from the fact that the game is depicting the firing of a gun, there's very little similarity.

You could not in any way successfully train as a marksman solely by playing FPS games.

[qdemn7]

40. Oh Yes I Do Both Regularly

And no not solely, but FPS do help me with target acquisition skills. And some people do use joysticks with trigger buttons which are more gun-like. Do not think I'm trying to blame video games, I'm not. I'm just making the point that everyone seems to be asking: "Where did he get the skills?"

[jollyreaper2112]

43. nope

The military uses FPS to teach squad maneuver and tactical thinking. The Army tankers use modified golf carts to practice field maneuvers for the tanks. The carts are wrapped up and the driver can only see through a periscope, just like with a buttoned-up tank. This isn't good for a live fire exercise but it's a lot cheaper than driving around the real deal. It lets them reserve tank time for the really important stuff.

I've fired guns and I've played shooters. Ain't no relation between one and the other. You might have a slightly better case when comparing a light gun game with real-life shooting but there's still a hell of a difference between the two, like comparing a realistic racing game vs. driving in the Indy 500.

[JackBeck]

36. When did Michelle Malkin become white?

Don't paint with such a broad brush. "Many white" would be a more accurate observation.

On edit: There are plenty of non-white right wingers. So, I'm not sure your point.

[jollyreaper2112]

42. yes

We hear about every plane crash, bus accident, building collapse, and giant monster raid so long as there are dead Americans. If no American died, it's not worth the coverage.

[undeterred]

53. I heard that they were hospitalized- they may be on suicide watch

for their own protection. This must be absolutely overwhelming for them.