"Upset" Intern Killer Joe to Lawrence O'Donnell: LEAVE BRITNEY...er, I mean CHENEY...ALONE!

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Lawrence O'Donnell joined the panel on MSNBC's Morning Joe on Thursday and got into a heated debate with host Joe Scarborough over Dick Cheney's recent remarks accusing the Obama administration of "dithering while America's armed forces are in danger" and "putting politics over security and turning the guns on our own guys."

Scarborough tried to defend Cheney, stating that while he personally disagrees with the former vice president's comments, Cheney "speaks for a large chunk of America who is far more aggressive in foreign policy than those of us that live inside this bubble."

O'Donnell jumped into the conversation, leveling heavy criticism at Cheney:

The dithering thing is great because Cheney, of course, did not dither, did not dither for a minute, when the time came to make a wild guess, an outright crazy wild guess, about are there weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And Cheney sat there in the White House and said, you know what, I've got everything I need to make my wild guess. On the basis of my wild guess I'm going to tell the country it's an actual fact, and then I'm gonna help send American soldiers there to die over a lie. No dithering when it came time to do that.

An upset Scarborough replied that "every major Democrat on the national scene, including Joe Biden, believed Saddam had weapons of mass destruction." O'Donnell countered that no Democrats had access to the high-level intelligence available to Cheney, evidence that painted a far more skeptical picture of Saddam's nuclear capabilities than the one Cheney painted for the American public.

Watch: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/22/lawrence-odonnell-battles_n_330034.html

[Gidney N Cloyd]

1. "every major Democrat... believed Saddam had weapons of mass destruction."

"every major Democrat... believed Saddam had weapons of mass destruction."
Arrghh!
Why do they keep trying to sell that like "having WMD" = "must go to war" ?

[dflprincess]

2. "every major Democrat... believed Saddam had weapons of mass destruction."

Fine, so "every major Democrat" was as gullible as a good chunk of the public (maybe more gullible).

Is that suppose to make it okay that Bush lied us into an unnecessary war?

[madokie]

3. Lawrence should have his own show

I would love to be able to get up in the mornings and turn my tv on and get some factual news. Not have to wait until Dylan comes on. I'm saying I'm really getting more and more impressed with the direction msnbc is taking. Lawrence O would be a great way to start the day.

[Lucy Goosey]

6. Definitely

He's smart, insightful, and not afraid to debate and stick to his guns. Also, he's telegenic and has the dreamiest voice.

Joe fucking Scarborough, on the other hand, is dumber than a sack of hair, and he turns into a whiny 6 year old when people disagree with him. Ew.

[Tom_x]

4. O'Donnell show

If O'Donnell had his own show he might have a problem with guests cause he won't throw those softballs.

It wouldn't matter to me though.

I would never miss a single show.

[Cha]

5. Obama didn't and he became a major Dem..

October 2002

<snip>

"What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?"

<much more>
http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

[goclark]

8. K

[Gidney N Cloyd]

12. "imminent (and direct) threat" was a key phrase at the time.

There were many people who accepted Saddam had WMD of some sort and condition but believed, like Obama, they "posed no imminent and direct threat"
For people like Joe Scar to roll out that over-generalized BS again about how 'everyone' believed Saddam had WMDs, ergo: To War!, is just sad.

[Tom_x]

7. Not surprised

I don't know about anybody else but my experience has been that a lot of the Irish just don't have the ability to tolerate BS.

I'll never forget the first time i saw O'Donnell tear into a hypocritical con. I was dozing in front of the TV and he actually woke me up he was being so forceful.

All i could think is oh my God i have never heard a liberal talk like that on the main stream media before.

[Samantha]

9. I am just an average Democrat, but I did not swallow that line for a nanosecond

While it was both stunning and unbelievable that the Office of the President, as well as that of the Vice President, would egregiously lie about something this important, when our troops crossed over into Iraq and no weapons of mass destruction were used upon them, that said it all. If one is amassing a stockpile of WMDs and is attacked by the most powerful army in the world, if that country does not use its WMDs at that time, what exactly is it saving them for? Oh, yes, Saddam moved them to Syria ....

[Tom_x]

11. Reason

There was a very good reason why Sadamm didn't want to advertise the fact that he didn't have WMDs.

And that reason was Iran. If Iran wasn't sure that Iraq had no WMDs that served as a strong reason why they (Iran) should not mess with them (Iraq).

[Bobbie Jo]

10. "It's not lying if you believe it's true?"

WTF? WTF? WTF? WTF?

:wtf: Pretty lame....even for the Scum.