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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:42 PM
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Unsafe abortions kill 70,000 a year
Unsafe abortions kill 70,000 a year

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/oct/14/unsafe-abortions-global-report

About 70,000 women die every year and many more suffer harm as a result of unsafe abortions in countries with restrictive laws on ending a pregnancy, according to a report.

The total number of abortions across the globe has fallen, the influential Guttmacher Institute says, but that drop relates only to legal abortions and is mostly the result of changes in eastern Europe.

There were 41.6m terminations worldwide in 2003, compared with 45.5m in 1995. But in 2003, says the report, 19.7m of these were unsafe, clandestine abortions. The numbers of those have hardly changed from 1995, when there were 19.9m.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:16 PM
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:39 PM
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4. How dare you tell another member to shut up, PN
Everybody posting here has a right to his or her opinion and if you don't like it you could politely disagree or say nothing.

Instead you chose to be rude and intolerant.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:51 PM
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7. Jeebus, did you miss the part afterward about rutting like
a slut in heat, or bunnies??

Sluts and bunnies, I don't think that I have anything approaching a nice reply to that.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 08:02 PM
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 06:15 AM
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16. Uh huh.
Sorry I missed some replies.

Or not.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 06:12 AM
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14. Ya know... being "against" what others do with their bodies is one thing.
Edited on Wed Oct-14-09 06:29 AM by PeaceNikki
Calling it "murder" is worthy of a "STFU". I will not stand by and have someone make awful morals judgement against women. The post that was deleted was horrendous. In addition to accusing women who have a legal medical procedure of being murderers, it made a lot of awful moral judgments of sexually active women in general.

Also, I take great issue with the link in the profile of the poster to whom I replied.

Serisously, check it out.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=247106
http://businesslinkshere.com/default.aspx
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 06:14 AM
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15. Wrong spot
Edited on Wed Oct-14-09 06:15 AM by PeaceNikki
oops
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:36 PM
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3. Readily available contraception.
• The primary reasons why U.S. teenagers have the highest rates of pregnancy, childbearing and abortion among developed countries is less overall contraceptive use and less use of the pill or other long-acting reversible hormonal methods, which have the highest use-effectiveness rates.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_teens.html

Don't like abortions, teach kids to prevent unwanted pregnancies. All that other moralistic crap (killing, sluttiness, humping, etc.) can be taught by choice within the individual family.

As far as adults, abortion is a legal medical procedure and should be available to all women, no moral questions asked, no hoops to jump through.

"Women between the ages of 15 and 19 account for about 19% of all abortions; women 20 to 24 account for another 33%; and about 25% of abortions are obtained by women who are 30 or older.4 Calculating abortion rates, older teenagers and young adults have the highest abortion rates, while women younger than 15 and older than 35 have the lowest.4"


You think it's murder, don't have one.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 06:23 AM
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17. How about not accusing others of "murder" as well?
It's legal in this country and it's NOT deemed murder. Accusing others of murder for having a LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE is hateful, intolerant, divisive and frankly, BULLSHIT.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:45 PM
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5. Yehonala, I agree with some of your points
Hormones are powerful and the culture pushes sex. It would be good if kids could actually learn about sex and discuss it.

I know that many teenage girls are pushed into abortions. They may suffer emotional pain from abortions. teenagers also contract some pretty bas STDs at high rates. The knowledge to prevent pregnancies and STDs needs to be on TV and discussed in schools. Parents need information too.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:50 PM
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6. The only place I can find this claim made is anti abortion sites.
"many teenage girls are pushed into abortions". They may have to face the choice of abortion or raising a child as a result of unwanted pregnancies but I can't find stats that show young girls are being forced to abort.

Do you have a link to stats to back up that claim?
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:59 PM
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8. Personal experience.
I've experienced it, I've had friends pushed into abortions. A girl's own mother is most likely to push her into an abortion. And I believed it was murder, yet I was tricked into it. It' hurt me badly. Do not think this is uncommon.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 08:31 PM
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10. I'm sorry you were hurt.
But until your experience can be shown factually to be commonplace it isn't. I had several friends who aborted in their late teens, none where forced or coerced or tricked. All were emotionally relieved with no long term negative effects.
The unfortunate circumstances you describe do show the need for widespread, readily available contraception and comprehensive sex education begining in middle school including instruction on using contraception.

Countries that are proactive have much lower unwanted pregnancy rates, teen pregnancy rates and abortions. Of course those countries also have universal health care, much lower poverty rates and free higher education.
Some like to keep our kids ignorant and desperate.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 06:56 AM
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18. Do you think that people who have abortions should be punished?
I mean, since it's "murder" and all.

And I imagine you would like to see the book thrown at healthcare professionals who are "mass murderers"?

Do you think your god will condemn all of these baby killers to an eternity in hell for their murderous ways?
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peanut Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 08:51 PM
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11. We're NOT talking about US: we're talking about women worldwide
Folks, we're missing the point here: most of the unsafe abortion deaths worldwide are in developing countries where abortion is illegal, and I believe the number quoted here is low. Most of these women are married; most have children... more children than they can feed and care for. They are trying to feed and save the ones they have already. Abortion in the US is, comparatively, much more available, altho hard for teens and low-income women.
I went to a conference once where a woman who had worked in women's health her whole life summed it up for me: the number of women who die each year from reproductive-health related causes (childbirth, unsafe abortion, reproductive organ infections) equals a jumbo jet, holding 600 women, crashing every FOUR hours, every DAY, all YEAR long. Yep, can you imagine if we heard that a jumbo jet crashed EVERY FOUR HOURS all YEAR long?? That's how many women die every year -- just being women.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 11:11 PM
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12. thank you for expressing this truth so clearly and succinctly. but then, it's only women who are
dying, yes? so, no big deal --that is certainly the attitude that seems to crop up whenever this particular little statistic is brought forth.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 11:15 PM
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13. the latest figures I read (before the update from peanut) is that approx 1,600 women die each DAY
from complications of pregnancy and birth--so, every 45 days, more women die from continuing pregnancies than from illegal abortions. but then, we don't hear this stat much, do we?
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