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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:07 PM
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Mormon Leader: Prop 8 Backlash like Intimidation of Southern Blacks In 1960s
Good grief. Up is down, black is white.

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Mormon Leader: Prop 8 Backlash like Intimidation of Southern Blacks In 1960s
Jim Burroway
October 13th, 2009

A prominent leader in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is preparing to deliver a major address at Brigham Young University-Idaho in which he compares the anger directed toward the LDS church over its support of Prop 8 to “voter-intimidation of blacks in the South” during the civil rights struggle.

In an advance copy of the statement provided to the Associated Press, Elder Dallin H. Oaks renews the claim that Mormons experienced “violence and intimidation,” despite the fact that there has been no independent verification of a single act of violence against Mormon people or property. The Associated Press did not correct that claim. Oaks continued:

“As such, these incidents of ‘violence and intimidation’ are not so much anti-religious as anti-democratic,” he said. “In their effect they are like well-known and widely condemned voter-intimidation of blacks in the South that produced corrective federal civil-rights legislation.”

Oaks then went on to suggest that the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Act, which is currently making its way through Congress, will be used to prosecute or threaten preachers. Again, the AP did not correct that statement. Oaks, a member of the LDS’ Quorum of the Twelve, is repeating on of the most common lies about the hate crimes bill. The Matthew Shepard Act addresses violent crime only, not speech or religious beliefs. In fact, the bill contains specific guarantees that nothing in it will infringe on constitutionally-protected expressions of free speech and assembly....
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Engineer4Obama Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:10 PM
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1. Engineer4Obama: Prop 8 like Jim Crow Laws
Religious freedom is an individual right you jackasses! Quit trying to impose your religious beliefs on people outside of your religion! Fuck quit trying to impose your political influence on people outside of your state!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:11 PM
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2. so, what if people voted to outlaw mormons? That would be democratic too. toxic groups are
constantly portraying themselves as victims when they are, in fact, predators.

Msongs
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:12 PM
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3. Says the church that only decided in 1978 Blacks don't automatically go to hell.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:15 PM
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4. That's the mind-set of people who think that being gay is a choice, and
That their religious beliefs are the only correct ones and therefore not a matter of choice.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:32 PM
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5. So all Mormons are like Glenn Beck? Drawing ridiculous comparisons...wow.
Who knew? I was giving the majority of them - besides Beck and the crazy fundie polygamist ones - the benefit of the doubt. Silly me.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:57 PM
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6. Most of them are not like Glenn Beck
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 06:57 PM by FreeState
they think and act individually - however once a leader has said it they all toe the line. Thats why what Mr. Oaks is saying is so damaging - to even question the leaders is considered a sin and if you do it publicly you can lose membership or the right to participate for a time period, in the church.
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DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:24 PM
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8. that doesn't sound like "thinking and acting individually" to me, the way you described it
sounds more like a cult, if true.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:27 PM
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9. Well - the Church rarely makes these kind of statements
I can only think of 4 or so instances of them doing it (Abortion, ERA, Lottery and Gay Marriage).
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