The Snowe "yes" vote makes me want to vomit

[Stinky The Clown]

This means that, when all the bullshit is over and a final bill goes to a vote, we the people will be fucked royally.

She makes the bill the all important bipartisan thing it was hoped by some to be. <--- extreme sarcasm

Well, now it is. That makes it all right and good. <--- more extreme sarcasm

So now everyone can sing kumbaya, hug and kiss, and be all self-congratulatory.

The Big Mo(mentum)

The Baucus Bill.




Hooray! <--- INCREDIBLY extreme sarcasm

No single payer.

No public option

No employer mandate

Everyone compelled to buy what many simply cannot afford.

The Insurance Industry free to raise costs at will.





Give me a fucking break.

[debbierlus]

1. I agree with you. Many here argue that it must get out of committee and then changed

And, if it would be any type of real reform, it would mean COMPLETELY REWRITTEN...

[Cleita]

18. I don't believe they will change anything if it gets out of committee.

Voting for it is a stamp of approval and all the heads in the sand Senators will say it's a good thing. They did something bi-partisan so the meme will go. Yeah, those knee pads must be really worn out by now.

[Fumesucker]

23. They'll all have plenty of money to buy new knee pads..

In fact I suspect big pharma and big insurance will donate some extra comfy knee pads (suitably emblazoned with the corporate logos).

[Botany]

2. calm down this is one of 5 bills

and the other 4 all have a public option


edit .... clam down

BTW what else did you expect for Snowe?

[Stinky The Clown]

6. The other four will die

When one starts to the right of center, this is what one gets ..... a return to right of center.

This bill will be what gets passed .... if anything even gets passed at all. It would surprise me not one whit to see NO bill ever get voted on in one or both houses. Just like other times in our history.

The other four bills will go nowhere. This is it. This is the one that is the important one to those to whom it matters.

[regnaD kciN]

8. Oh, it will pass...

...because the insurance companies will want it to pass. It makes the situation better for them, and worse for us, than it even is now.

[Fumesucker]

9. Yep, *this* is the _bipartisan_ bill..

The others are all partisan and will go nowhere, by design of course.

[joeycola]

34. that the WH is fighting and proud of.

[Botany]

11. there is a lot of pressure for a public option and the other ....

.... 4 bills have support. The final bill is what will come out of "mark up."

[sandnsea]

14. Three are in the House

They have to go somewhere in order for us to get a final bill at all. The Senate bill, which will have amendments, will go to conference and be reconciled with a House bill. It won't look anything like the Baucus bill, which I take it got out of committee, finally. If you don't know what you're talking about, stfu. I say that because people listen to you. You have a responsibility to get it right.

[Windy]

19. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so sick and tired of the media and some people on DU

acting like the Baucus bill is THE bill!!! Quit falling for the media hype to inflame the masses and get ratings!! KNOW THE PROCESS! CIVICS 101

[Stinky The Clown]

20. Will you eat your words when it turns out to be the bill?

Will you?

[sandnsea]

43. It is Impossible, absolutely IMPOSSIBLE

For it to be "the bill". It will be changed on the floor of the Senate. Every bill is. It will be changed some more in conference. Every bill is. What you need to be doing is telling the truth so people know the time to really start fighting is now. You're convincing them it's time to give up. That's a flat lie. You've got to know better than that. I don't know what kick you get out of riling people up based on lies.

[Stinky The Clown]

46. No lies

My prediction is as sound as yours.

I believe - let me be clear and unambiguous here - that the essence of the Bullshit Bipartisan Baucus Bill will be the basis of the bill that goes to the full Senate.

The essence is:

No single payer
No public option
No employer mandate
No control/competition for the insurance companies
no freedom to choose not to buy insurance.

Will it be word word "this bill"? No, of course not.

Will it be the essence and spirit of "this bill". Yes.

Is that clear? if not, ask and I will try to be even more clear.

[Nederland]

47. You are correct

It is not "the bill". However, I will be willing to bet that the final bill has no public option either. In that respect, all the OP's comments stand.

[sandnsea]

48. If everyone believes the fight is over

Then you're absolutely right. That's what is stupid about repeating that particular lie.

[Stinky The Clown]

51. I guess you're not interested in an actual ...... uh ..... dialogue.

Easier to call someone a liar, which only applies to a statement of false facts, not opinion, right?

[Fumesucker]

22. The Baucus bill is the one the big money wants..

"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctively native American criminal class except Congress." -Mark Twain

The more things change, the more they stay the same..

Big money has bought and paid for the great majority of Congress and big money will get what it wants.

[sandnsea]

44. It doesn't matter, it Can Not be the final bill

It just does not work that way. There Will Be Amendments. It Will Go To Conference. Quit lying to people.

[Fumesucker]

50. You're right..

It could always get worse, and probably will.

Thanks for reminding me.

[Stinky The Clown]

53. Surely you not so STUPID as to have taken the statement LITERALLY ...... are you?

I gave you a reply, above, too .... which you conveniently ignore ..... why? Perhaps it fails to support your willfully ignorant assertion?

[maglatinavi]

24. baucus bill

Why???? who are the ones to whom it matters?:cry: :cry: :cry:

[regnaD kciN]

7. Yes, but the other four have no Republican votes...

...so the option will be presented: vote for this bill as is and get the 60 votes to pass cloture, or add a public option, have Snowe oppose it, and get it killed by a Republican filibuster. End result: no health care bill, and the Democrats taking a beating in 2010.

The pressure to abandon alternatives, and adopt the Baucus bill as-is, will become overwhelming.

[Botany]

15. only if we let them

the pressure should be put on to pass the damn thing w/ 50 votes (51 counting the veep)
and if the republicans want to filibuster what 75% of what the American people want let them.

[Autumn]

26. So in the sacred name of Bipartisanship, this

bill is the one that will be touted as reform we need. I can see that happening.

[DJ13]

10. this is one of 5 bills

And yet, no one hears about the other 4.

You have to see that theres a reason this bill, one of 5, is the focus of so much attention.

Hell, this isnt even the Health committee, its the FINANCE committee.

That should raise a few red flags right there.

[sandnsea]

17. The Kennedy bill came out in June

And the left trashed it too, although now they praise it when they see how bad bad can be. A bill HAS to come out of the Finance committee if it has any spending in it at all, which the final bill will. We heard plenty about the House bill back in July and August when they were getting those out of committee. And we'll hear about them again as we get bills passed on the floor and into conference.

[Hello_Kitty]

12. Right. People have been claiming for weeks that the Baucus bill is going nowhere

Don't worry about the Baucus bill. It won't be the Baucus bill. The Baucus bill is irrelevant and will be going away soon. I've read all these things on DU in the past few weeks and yet, here we are STILL talking about the Baucus bill and it's the Baucus bill that seems to be going the farthest in Congress.

I told people this would happen back in the primaries. They said, "don't worry about the mandate because there will be a public option and subsidies to make it affordable". I told everyone that there would not be a public option and the mandated insurance would be expensive as fuck.

[Stinky The Clown]

21. Thank you for that edit.

I was deciding how to reply. Now there's no need.

[regnaD kciN]

3. Yep. That's exactly what I've been predicting for weeks...

Once Finance killed the public option, I knew Snowe would "dramatically" decide to vote for it, and that would give it the "bipartisan" aura that would make sure it was accepted as-is.

[debbierlus]

13. Exactly right.

[Fumesucker]

4. What, you expected something different?

I don't think you're that naive, Stinky..

BTW, LOVE your pic of the pukin' pumpkin.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Not for a moment.

But, of course, the local Apologist Brigade has told me to shut up and wait. I want my pony now. I'm a whiner. So, of course, being the compliant, spineless dumbass I am .... I waited.

And this is what we get.

Now they'll all start to tell us to wait for the outcome of Conference Committee ...... yadda yadda yadda ..... its all Kabuki.

[JNelson6563]

5. She generally makes me feel that way.

Your pumpkin pic says it all. :-)

[eleny]

25. Save your upchuck for when Rockefeller votes for it

There won't be a barf bag big enough.

[Stinky The Clown]

27. Anyone paying attention knows the bill now cruises to a solid win .... 14 - 9, maybe better.

But she's the one who gives it the Oh-So-Important holy grail of "bipartisanship".

Watch the powers that be start crowing.

[eleny]

32. Obama just gave her the obligatory ass kiss from the White House

They showed it on MSNBC. He puckered up and planted it. ugh.

[Stinky The Clown]

38. I saw that

"Ugh" is right.

[Inuca]

30. Why on earth would Rockefeller's vote

require a barf bag?!?!?

[eleny]

35. Because I'd like to see JR stick to his guns

[Stinky The Clown]

45. MSNBC just reported that Jay will vote "yes"

[Dawgs]

28. No public option means IT WILL NOT PASS IN THE HOUSE!!

Unless the progressive democrats are pussies and fail to keep their promise.

[Stinky The Clown]

29. More likely, it will never get to a vote and Status Quo wins.

[regnaD kciN]

40. No, the House Dems will cave...

...when subjected to the pressure that "if this bill doesn't pass, none will -- and you'll get blamed in the midterms."

Watch all the die-hard House supporters of the public option suddenly decide "we have to support our President, after all." :puke:

[yodermon]

41. Baucus passes Senate.

PO passes House.
PO gets added in reconciliation.
PO passes with 51.
Obama signs.

[joeycola]

31. Include the WH in the "all important bipartisan thing it was hoped by some to be."

[yurbud]

33. bipartisanship=both parties bribed. We should start calling it "bribepartisanship"

[Fumesucker]

36. Bribepartisanship.. succinct and to the point, I like it..

You should make that an OP..

[ProSense]

39. I

agree

[asdjrocky]

37. Didn't you get the memo?

Snowe is now our friend. The deluded the bill enough for her to vote yes.

In the Senate, the Republicans still run things. Get with the program man.

[tblue]

42. Bipaartsan Schmipartsan! One Republican does not bipartsan make.

But one Republican can a stupid mess pass. I am really hating the 'B' word anymore.

[Stinky The Clown]

49. I **really** despise whiny repubican Senate losers whining about a bill they all actually want.

The Bullshit Bipartisan Baucus Bill Buddies Bleating on teevee how bad they think this bill is.

What pantloads.

[IRemember]

52. I know. Queen Snowe will have to be appeased. And we know how she feels about a P.O. nt

[bvar22]

54. "working for bi-partisan consensus"

I fucking HATE that phrase.

From the get-go, it means, "We will be grateful for only as much reform as the Republicans are willing to give us. We are happy to let the Republicans set the limit. We are not going to make the Republicans uncomfortable."

Fuck EVERY single "Democrat" who hides behind "seeking Bi-Partisan consensus".



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[Hepburn]

55. Amen, Stinky!!!

I could not give a rat's butt about Snowe ~~ she is one fucking Pubbie senator. Who gives a crap if her vote makes this supposedly bipartisan. One fucking Pubbie vote??? And that is some big deal?

:puke:

Edit for typo