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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:03 AM
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UAW reaches new concessions agreement with Ford
Ford and the United Auto Workers have reportedly reached a temporary agreement to wrest new concessions from auto workers in the US.

According to a report in Bloomberg, the agreement includes a six-year ban on some strikes and a wage freeze for new hires...The UAW has scheduled a meeting of lower-level union officials for Tuesday, October 13. These meetings are generally called by union executives to lay down the strategy for forcing concessions on workers. Votes at locals could be called as early as this week.

In Canada, the Canadian Auto Workers (CAW) is preparing to offer similar concessions...

The agreements this year followed 2007 contracts at Ford, GM and Chrysler that established poverty wages and limited benefits for new hires...

At all the auto companies, the union has sold concessions as a means of “saving jobs.” In fact, tens of thousands of auto jobs have been wiped out over the past year, and dozens of plants have been closed.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/oct2009/ford-o13.shtml
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 03:45 AM
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1. New jobs for Ford Deal
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:02 AM
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2. WSWS is knee jerk anti-union, so it's impossible to evaluate this analysis
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 05:07 AM by HamdenRice
As you know, WSWS is "owned" by a wealthy corporate executive. In his role as unelected permanent leader of WSWS-SEP, he goes by the name, "David North" but in his role as the owner and CEO of a corporate advertising firm that services the country's biggest corporations, he goes by his real name, "David Green."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6560399&mesg_id=6561071

WSWS's official position is that unions are criminal conspiracies against the interest of the working class.

Also, you are now well aware that David North/Green has a several decade long history of disrupting and opposing unions, including organizing counter pickets when unions go on strike, and even cooperating with federal investigators and prosecutors to railroad an Iowa union organizer to federal prison.

For that reason, it's impossible to take seriously anything WSWS has to say about the auto workers.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:06 AM
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3. it's hard to take anything you have to say seriously either, mr. bank bailout.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:07 AM
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4. Can you refute the facts about your source?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:17 AM
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5. which "facts" are those, hampton? the regional printshop & "mehring books" (= socialist publisher)
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 05:28 AM by Hannah Bell
you transformed into an advertising company serving the "largest corporations?"

you're too dishonest.

here's "grand river printing"

http://www.grpinc.com/grandriver-women-owned.html

Women-owned

Grand River Printing & Imaging is a women-owned and operated provider of print media solutions. The company has received its national certification as a Women's Business Enterprise by the Women's Business Enterprise National Council (WBENC) and the Michigan Women's Business Council (MWBC).

At the time of certification, Grand River President & CFO Ann Porster said, "We are pleased to be recognized as a women-owned business by the WBENC. This certification officially confirms our status and is another indication of the progressive character of our company. Accordingly, it will assist us in improving our visibility with corporations and buyers of print media products and services throughout the country."


David North must have partners.


here's david green's speech to a business group after winning "top 10 best workplace" award:

The extraordinarily high levels of employee turnover in the work place exacerbate the general shortage of skilled labor. Print companies—let us say, most companies—find it difficult to retain skilled people. This social phenomenon is also a product of the same policies and approach that have predominated over the last two decades. The once firmly rooted conception among workers that there existed a reliable link between corporate profitability and long-term and stable employment has been drastically undermined, if not shattered, by the experiences of the last 20 years. It is now a widespread belief among workers that their efforts in behalf of the company that employs them will be rewarded, in the end, with a layoff notice. After all, no less a personage than the President of the United States declared a few years ago that the average worker should expect to change jobs eight or nine times during the course of his or her working career. In such a social environment, is it a surprise that workers are tempted to respond favorably to the lure of short-term financial gains—that is, to leave their current employer if someone else, even a competitor to their present employer—offers than more?

Another significant social factor has contributed to the widespread alienation that is to be found among production workers. It is a sensitive topic, but one that deserves mention. It is difficult to make the case that the interests of the workers and their company are indissolubly linked at a time when there exists such a vast disparity between the rewards that accrue to company executives and those that accrue to the production workers. Make no mistake about it: Workers are acutely aware of this income disparity. I came across the following set of statistics in a business journal that I would like to share with you: During the last eight years, CEO compensation among Fortune 500 companies increased at a rate of 535%. If the wages of production workers had risen in the 1990s as fast as the total income of CEOs, the average worker would be earning $114,000 per year and the minimum wage would be $24 per hour.

It is far easier to identify the problems than to provide answers to them. Clearly, the human resource problems that confront the printing industry are the product of a very complex interaction of objective economic forces and prevailing social policy. One is even reluctant to make recommendations for fear of sounding simplistic. But as I quite unexpectedly find myself, without any special credentials, at the podium, I will take advantage of this opportunity to make a few rather modest suggestions.

There are three levels at which we can strive to find solutions to the human resource issue: The first level is that of the individual company. There, we must recognize—within the objective limits set by the competitive economic environment—that there are policy alternatives to the method of slash and burn and a Pavlovian approach to PIA ratios. Companies should strive to develop a broader sense of their long-term needs, and replace the concept of maximum profitability with one of optimum profitability—that is, one in which financial targets allow the allocation of sufficient resources for the consistent improvement of the working environment. The market is a powerful objective force, but company executives do have some control over corporate priorities.

The second level is that of the industry. Those who are in a position of leadership in the vast complex of interconnected corporations of which our industry is comprised should review critically not only their own work place practices, but also those of their vendors. The selection of vendors should include an evaluation of their human resource policies. Let’s be honest with ourselves and each other: the reality of the competitive bidding process all too frequently favors those companies whose low cost structures are achieved through poor treatment of their employees. That tendency could be counteracted if some effort were made, prior to the awarding of a contract, to discover the hidden social content, in terms of working conditions, of the lowest competitive bid.

The third level is that of society. Who can reasonably doubt that the many problems related to the recruitment and retention of workers are inextricably bound up with broader social issues, such as the state of public education? In the final analysis, every company functions within society. But an examination of this social environment would inevitably require far more time than we have here today and is best left to another forum.

http://www.grpinc.com/grandriver-workplace-awards.html

http://www.mehring.com/


go peddle some more bank bailouts.




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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:21 AM
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6. Did you read the thread?
Grand River Printing does printing and advertising (ie pr) for corporations. That's where David North/Green gets his $26 million a year in revenue.

Don't try to confuse it with his cult Trot publishing toy.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:35 AM
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8. he *prints* advertising, he's not a PR person. The 26 million = revenue, not profits.
he has partners, so he doesn't get all of whatever profits there may be.

*i* didn't confuse mehring with grand rapids printing. that would be your source, who lists mehring as one of north's "many" businesses, as though it were some fantastic revenue source.

mehring would be subsidized with grand rapids profits, duh, because the pool of people who wish to read page-turners like "Marxism, History, and Socialist Consciousness" is so large & well-heeled.

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:37 AM
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9. " If WSWS owner and wife Heather live comfortably on $25 mil, why beg from comrades?"
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 05:38 AM by HamdenRice
OK, so now you're telling us about accounting, when in the past you've deliberately confused expenditures and investments.

:rofl:

David North/Green must have some serious, serious mojo to get people to contort themselves the way he's got you going, babe.

You need deprogramming, RIGHT NOW, sister, or you may find your self in too deep!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:47 AM
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10. see how dishonest you are? 25 million = revenues. & as i've told you repeatedly,
i'm not a trot.

i post the articles to get you to reveal yourself as a witchhunter, hampton.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:48 AM
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11. So now that you've taken a course in accounting
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 05:49 AM by HamdenRice
how would you characterize the Fed's commercial paper facility or TARP? Is it a giveaway or an investment?

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:52 AM
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12. i characterize you as a witch-hunting stalker. good night. smooch!
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:56 AM
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13. One more question oh accounting wiz!
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 05:57 AM by HamdenRice
So your guru David has $26 million in revenue, right? You want to make sure we don't think that's his personal income. Fine.

What do you think the profit is on that $26 million? Let's say 10%. So David's corporate income is "only" $2.6 million.

Now, oh newly minted accounting wiz, what is the value of a firm going forward with profits of $2.6 million per year?

In other words, what is the price/earning ratio?

Doesn't this mean that David North/Green, "leader" of Trotskyite revolutionaries is worth in the $20-30 million range?

I'm so touched by your passionate defense of David North/Green and his revolutionary credentials!

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:16 AM
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14. $2.6 million: divided by 3 partners, math whiz. & personally, i doubt
a print shop gets 10% profit.

too capital-intensive.

now i'll write the little speech i've written a dozen times, as you well know - not for your benefit, as you're a lost cause & a primary DU cheerleader for the bankster bailout - but for the edification of anyone who might be reading this & wondering wtf?

1. I'm not a trot. i don't belong to their party, don't give them money, & don't take their position as gospel.

2. I post wsws articles for 2 reasons:
a) their articles are written from the perspective of labor - not unions, not capital, but rank & file labor, & provide a counterpoint to the party line here. plus, they're honest with the *facts* unlike hampton.
b) because it annoys hampton.

3. i don't particularly care if north has 1 million or 20.

first, because i don't buy the common (right wing, reactionary) position that one must take a vow of poverty to be a "real" leftist,

second, because it's fairly common knowledge that every "left" publication has big money behind it (e.g. one's published by a rothschild, another by a hochschild, another by the daughter of a cia operative, etc.). not to mention "approved" media.

i take it for granted, in fact, that any organization with national stature has big money behind it, because i stopped believing mickey & judy could put on that broadway show in the barn when i was 13.

if the only money backing wsws is david north's profits from his regional printing business, that would actually make me trust him more than i currently do.

now why don't you try engaging with the actual material rather than red-baiting & smearing, mr bank bailout?

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:23 AM
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15. uh...
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 06:24 AM by HamdenRice
"$2.6 million: divided by 3 partners,"

Actually it's the value of the corporation, not the revenue. $20-30 million divided by 3 partners, 2 of whom seem to be David and Heather.

Your defense of millionaires is touching, for someone who otherwise rails against the "fat cats."

"too capital-intensive."

It's not capital intensive if you were able to steal all the capital from hapless dupes in the party who contributed the money to buy the presses in the first place, is it?

"their articles are written from the perspective of labor - not unions,"

So if workers actually elect unions, you are in the position to tell them that their duly elected representatives are not actually representing them? How is that? Is that the Trot theory of false consciousness? Ie, that no matter what workers say, the Trot "vanguard" knows better what they "really think"?

"now why don't you try engaging with the actual material"

For the same reason that if someone starts a science article with the premise that the fossil record is only 6000 years old, there's no reason to engage. They are either stupid or they are liars.

In WSWS's case, it's both.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:41 AM
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17. i'm talking about the estimated yearly profit, hampton.
"heather" whoever she is, isn't listed on the website. (you seem to know them so intimately! maybe you used to be a trot? or maybe some other formation from the 60s? you'll have to forgive me, i'm a working stiff from the provinces & not up on the faction fights of the trust fund set.)

i doubt they're still using the same equipment you claim (based on one person's anonymous comment on the web)they stole 30 years ago.

the workers "elect unions". what a joke in the case of uaw, the organization you claim represents its workers.

the leadership has presided over the destruction of its membership in every aspect: numbers, wages, benefits & working conditions - while enriching itself. it's a company union, & it's been a company union for many long years. if you actually went & read the comment of the rank & file you'd find most of them feel the same.

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:51 AM
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18. That's why "we" need all unions to be under the control of WSWS-SEP
That's their platform. They will only support unions, when all unions are SEP-WSWS cult chapters.

Wow, what a great solution to the labor problem in America!
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:40 AM
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16. "$2.6 million: divided by 3 partners" -- so payday of about $860,000 per year is now peanuts?
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 06:41 AM by HamdenRice
As long as one is going to guru master David and one to mistress Heather?

Being in the Trotskyite vanguard means never having to say I'm sorry for your paycheck!
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:34 AM
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7. Thanks for adding that corporate happy feel human resources talk!
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 05:35 AM by HamdenRice
For some reason your feeling toward corporations seems to have done a 180!

How remarkable that Grand River is now woman owned! I suppose that must be because of David giving his "main squeeze," Heather, a piece of the action from those printing presses he stole from the "party".

:rofl:

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