beethoven did not compose wonderful "for elisa", says italian study

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young musician Ludwig Nohl found Beethoven's autographed drafts in 1865 in Munchen, states italian Luca Chiantore, introducing his 8 year long research at the university of barcelona.

"for elisa" was published 40 years after the death of the Master and the final composition does not resemble the original drafts, according to the italian. Nohl composed a new piece out of them.

can't find any source in english for now, so i only have an italian one:
http://www.corriere.it/cultura/09_ottobre_12/beethoven_per_elisa_bc80adc6-b748-11de-b239-00144f02aabc.shtml


whatever - if it was Nohl, the applause goes to him.
i love that piece.

[madfloridian]

1. Beautiful music....Fur Elise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o5baA0Z9g4

Beethoven will always be connected to that in my mind.

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2. and in my mind as well. you're right.

thanx for the link, my friend.
:hi:

[madfloridian]

3. Most welcome

I played piano for years and years. Once connected to Beethoven, always connected. :hi:

[pink-o]

4. It sounds just like all his other dreamy compositions

Moonlight Sonata, et al. But who knows? All beginning piano students learn it, because the first movement is relatively easy to play and it sounds really impressive.

I'm gonna go with Beethoven being the composer--mostly because we share a birthday! Anyway, it's a beautiful piece, regardless.

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5. i'm a guitar player and learnt to play a string version of the Moonlight.

so i'll stick to Beethoven as author of both the wonders. yes, regardless - they are bliss.
:)

[madfloridian]

6. One of the comments at the You Tube site really struck me..

"This song reminds me of a lifetime... the steady flow of notes equals the mundanity of everyday life, and all of a sudden something special happens that is different than any given day. then it goes back to mundane....then the music turns sad, then some hope, then mundane, then the death."

I found myself looking up mundanity, and yes it is really a word.

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7. nice one. maybe it is...

...the flowing. everything that sensibly flows in nature gives the sensitive ones (the romantic passionate ones, in general) a glimpse of existance. think of a rivulet or a little creek, the waves in their coming and going - the andamento and the tempo of their passages, the lapping of objects on their route, crashing then surrounding then flowing peacefully again.

felt like that, life is rich any moment. for elisa maybe catches that.

[madfloridian]

10. Hubby and I have decided that mundane is good now.

We even like boring.

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11. i like anything belonging to the category. :) n/t

[liberalhistorian]

8. You mean all those times I was told to

"practice your Beethoven" (one of my piano teachers just LOVED him), it wasn't really him after all? Hmmmm.......... :evilgrin:

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9. you were "practising Nohl". what does it sound like? not the same, eh? ;) n/t

[kuj0]

12. my favorite theory about that song

i can't remember where i read it, maybe in "The Straight dope", was that Beethoven didn't publish the work during his lifetime because it was the piece he used to seduce women. "Oh Elise! Your beauty has given me the idea for a melody but I can't hear it due to my deafness. May I play it for you so you can tell me how it sounds? No one has heard this line, i mean, song before!" only the song was called "Für Greta" or "Für Bettina" depending on the girl, if you get my drift ;)

i'm sure this theory has no basis in fact but it is difinetely my fav theory because i LOL every time i think about it.

[saltpoint]

13. Well whoever the hell composed it, it sure is a fine little tune.

Follow with your ears when the piece veers from a minor into the relative major:

b c d e -- that section that goes to C Major.

At its end and before the return to the main theme again in a minor, that transition with the octave play really does sound exactly like Beethoven.

[jeffbr]

14. Beethoven was famously disorganized

I'm not at all convinced.

Sounds like that little controversy with Albinoni vs. Giazotto re his Adagio.